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[SethMode]

Revolutionary? How? I didn't feel like ME2 revolutionized anything, that it did in the first. It improved a number of things from the first, but I remember feeling like a lot from the first was gone.

Revolutionary is a big, big word for me(and probably anyone) when discussing video games. I dont feel like ME2 revolutionized western RPGs.

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GTA on Horses?! C'mon! That's as cheap as me saying, "ME2 is just an action based, cover shooter."

It changed the way console RPGs are played/made. That is the definition of revolutionary. All RDR did was substitute your car for a horse.

And how is that "cheap"? I loved RDR. Unless you helped make it, I think my statement is more of an opinion than anything, and in no way "cheap".

 

[Twigg4075]

what do you propose MS do Twigg?

Bite the bullet and accept bluray or, I don't know, make games on HD-DVD's, which is what they tried to partner with in the beginning.

How can you stand fully behind something like Kinect and yet you use antiquated technology like DVD's?

 

[SethMode]

Bite the bullet and accept bluray or, I don't know, make games on HD-DVD's, which is what they tried to partner with in the beginning.

How can you stand fully behind something like Kinect and yet you use antiquated technology like DVD's?

Honestly though man, who cares? If you have to change the discs at some point, is it that bad?

 

[Twigg4075]

Honestly though man, who cares? If you have to change the discs at some point, is it that bad?

In 2000? No. In 2010? Yes.

Back in 2000 most of us probably had a 19" tv and played within a few feet of it. In 2010 a ton of gamers have big screen HD tv's and sit several feet away. Changing discs in this day and age is fucking bullshit.

 

[Buzzman]

Mass Effect 2 with 2 discs isn't a problem at all. You only had to change discs to progress the story. Once you switch to the 2nd disc, you never have to put the first one back in unless you start a new game. You can still have access to every area you visited in the first and second disc with the 2nd disc.


Complaining about disc changing is no different then grabbing a 2nd soda after the first can is empty.

 

[Twigg4075]

Mass Effect 2 with 2 discs isn't a problem at all. You only had to change discs to progress the story. Once you switch to the 2nd disc, you never have to put the first one back in unless you start a new game. You can still have access to every area you visited in the first and second disc with the 2nd disc.


Complaining about disc changing is no different then grabbing a 2nd soda after the first can is empty.

That's why I said ME2 wasn't my main argument. Games like Castlevania, basically every JRPG and I believe Fable 3? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[SethMode]

In 2000? No. In 2010? Yes.

Back in 2000 most of us probably had a 19" tv and played within a few feet of it. In 2010 a ton of gamers have big screen HD tv's and sit several feet away. Changing discs in this day and age is fucking bullshit.

Oh come on dude...that is a level of crotchety that even you should be unhappy with. What is the worst case scenario? You have to pick your fat, crabcake loving ass off of the couch?

 

[Twigg4075]

Oh come one dude...that is a level of crotchety that even you should be unhappy with. What is the worst case scenario? You have to pick your fat, crabcake loving ass off of the couch?

LOL. I love crab cakes but I'm not fat. :redface:

Like I said, it's not a humongous deal. But in this day and age where we expect everything instantanteously it's a bit of a deal.

I just think it's a bit of hypocrisy to tout games on demand, Kinect, etc and yet have physical games on multiple discs.

 

[SHOGUN]

I hope EA MMA wins best Individual Sports Award, but considering it's on Spike, UFC Undisputed is a shoe-in to win.

 

[Maynard]

I'm not just talking about ME2 .

were talking about ME2. im cranky and your the one bitching about 2 disc changes in 50 hrs of gaming...ok

 

[jms493]

Bite the bullet and accept bluray or, I don't know, make games on HD-DVD's, which is what they tried to partner with in the beginning.

How can you stand fully behind something like Kinect and yet you use antiquated technology like DVD's?

HD DVD doesnt exist anymore. Sony developed and owns the patent for Blu Ray. MS would have to pay Sony for every drive in their Xbox......would do you think?

They don't have a choice at this point.

 

[Tengo Juego]

It changed the way console RPGs are played/made. That is the definition of revolutionary. All RDR did was substitute your car for a horse.

And how is that "cheap"? I loved RDR. Unless you helped make it, I think my statement is more of an opinion than anything, and in no way "cheap".

Mass Effect did that. How, or what, did ME2 revolutionize what they did in the first ME?

 

[Maynard]

i agree that ME2 wasnt revolutionary because it didnt really do anything beyond what had been done by other devs. they did an excellent job of making everything flow, but at the same time took away a ton of RPG aspects. which is why twigg has the wrong impression of the gameplay in this game.

the story paths did a great job of making choices matter. but just about all of those choices only mattered for the end game events. choosing bad or good during me2 had absolutely no effect on anything while you played.

now fallout deserves credit here because doing bad vs good has an immediate impact on your play thru.

 

[Maynard]

double post

 

[SethMode]

ME2 is/was the first game to get rid of the shit Twigg hates. It revolutionized RPG combat, which is part of the reason I can't go back and play ME1. It's an action game with traditional RPG elements. It doesn't seem revolutionary because everything it is doing has been done before, but it IS revolutionary because Bioware is doing with it what no one else has done with RPGs.

Either way, if you don't agree you don't agree. I'm less bitter about people saying ME2 isn't revolutionary or saying something else is GOTY than I am about the fact that Twigg HASN'T EVEN PLAYED IT.

 

[Maynard]

ME2 is/was the first game to get rid of the shit Twigg hates. It revolutionized RPG combat, which is part of the reason I can't go back and play ME1. It's an action game with traditional RPG elements. It doesn't seem revolutionary because everything it is doing has been done before, but it IS revolutionary because Bioware is doing with it what no one else has done with RPGs.

Either way, if you don't agree you don't agree. I'm less bitter about people saying ME2 isn't revolutionary or saying something else is GOTY than I am about the fact that Twigg HASN'T EVEN PLAYED IT.

thats it right there. they pretty much perfected the action rpg style and should be the standard for action rpg going forward. its just like COD4 which set the standard for how MP should be.

traditionalist would argue that ME2 took away 'too much' of the rpg aspects. imo they just need a bit more managing of the role (inventory, economy, karma, ect) and more expansive player development with the leveling system. the leveling system and skill point distribution from me1 was great