SRS: Which QB would you rather have?

[uncle whiskers]

Initially Smith struggled with accuracy. Earlier in his career sometimes I'd see him throw a screen pass off the mark. Haven't seen him play too much this year but he must've changed something fundamentally to be a little bit more accurate.

keep in mind that the 49ers are actually in games this year since they got rid of the worst coach of all time. he doesn't have to go downfield and take chances. his comp % is up but not significantly.

 

[Tailback U]

keep in mind that the 49ers are actually in games this year since they got rid of the worst coach of all time. he doesn't have to go downfield and take chances. his comp % is up but not significantly.

First 3 years his completion percentage was:

50.9%
58.1%
48.7%

Last 3 seasons:

60.5%
59.6%
61%

His yards per attempt is the highest it's ever been at 7.1.

The most interesting stat, though, is that he has been sacked more times this season than any other but has turned the ball over less than any other, which tells me he is playing smarter and taking care of the football. A testament to him, his coach, and the system.

 

[uncle whiskers]

First 3 years his completion percentage was:

50.9%
58.1%
48.7%

Last 3 seasons:

60.5%
59.6%
61%

His yards per attempt is the highest it's ever been at 7.1.

The most interesting stat, though, is that he has been sacked more times this season than any other but has turned the ball over less than any other, which tells me he is playing smarter and taking care of the football. A testament to him, his coach, and the system.

i was just comparing his comp% this year to the last 2 and yeah, it's better but not by leaps and bounds. and since his team is usually in games he gets the luxury of not just chucking it. that probably makes a difference.

and i don't think his sack % increasing is a sign of him making smarter decisions. just throw the ball away. i'd rather have a qb do that than be careful and take a sack.

 

[Realist]

Now the question is how credible is the source? What site did you get that from?

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showpost.php?p=4219888&postcount=6

Take it FWIW.

I've seen every single 49er game this year and although I can't compare the drops to other teams, I know the 49ers have had more than their fair share.

 

[uncle whiskers]

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showpost.php?p=4219888&postcount=6

Take it FWIW.

I've seen every single 49er game this year and although I can't compare the drops to other teams, I know the 49ers have had more than their fair share.

i'd need to see the post you linked put into context before drawing any worthwhile conclusions.

 

[Realist]

i'd need to see the post you linked put into context before drawing any worthwhile conclusions.

I just posted it in the link your quote. I got it from another message board. He stayed he got it from an ESPN Blog about the NFC West. Again, take it for whats it's worth.

 

[uncle whiskers]

I just posted it in the link your quote. I got it from another message board. He stayed he got it from an ESPN Blog about the NFC West. Again, take it for whats it's worth.

no, i saw the link that you posted. it's just kind of useless without knowing the context. it claims that x% of Smith's sacks or whatever come from blown blitz assignments. that's great and all but means nothing if we can't compare it to whatever % is average across the league. that's all.

 

[Realist]

no, i saw the link that you posted. it's just kind of useless without knowing the context. it claims that x% of Smith's sacks or whatever come from blown blitz assignments. that's great and all but means nothing if we can't compare it to whatever % is average across the league. that's all.

agreed. Dont have the rest of that info. Did find this though:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/55788/chat-wrap-brandon-lloyds-prospects

Mike Sando: Smith is definitely cautious about interceptions, but I think he has become more decisive this season. He isn't getting caught in a no-man's land as much. He'll usually take off running when something is not there, as opposed to drifting the way Tarvaris Jackson did on the play where Larry Grant forced the fumble Saturday. Accuracy-wise, I don't think Smith has been horribly inaccurate. He has been generally accurate, I would say. He has a 61 percent completion rate even though the 49ers rank tied for fifth with 27 drops, six more than the NFL average, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/55823/final-word-nfc-west-47

Alex Smith's improbable rating. The 49ers must be pleased to know that Smith, with a 90.1 NFL passer rating through 15 games, has a chance to finish with a better single-season mark than Joe Montana posted with the team in 1981, 1982, 1986, 1988 or 1990. Passer rating is but one tool for measuring quarterback performance. No one is saying it's perfect, or even that Smith has played better this season than Montana did during those five seasons. Still pretty tough to believe, though, right?

 

[bucky]

Here are just a few examples of Tebow having put in work on his motion...

You showed a couple of articles mentioning his work ethic in the pros and one about working on mechanics IN COLLEGE.

But yeah clearly he just sits on his ass all off-season and is fine with his development.

I didn't question his work ethic. I question whether he's going to retool his passing. It's not just how much you work, it's also what you work on. Is he going to retool his throwing mechanics or will he always be a shit passer? The first thing he should have done going into the pros was fix this. And he should make that a major focus until it's fixed. Right now, Smith throws the ball better.

Tebow is the first one to admit that he needs to work on his game. Maybe we can bump this thread in 7 years when Tebow has had enough time (and reps) to get to the same point it Alex Smith FINALLY reached.

We aren't talking about 7 years from now, we are talking about NOW.

I really don't know what more you expect from the guy.

I expect a QB to be able to PASS THE FUCKING BALL.

He's improving as far as reading defenses and becoming more familiar with the playbook

Learning the playbook and improving on reading defenses will only take him so far if he can read a defense but not be able to make the throws. If he can't throw accurately in the tight windows QB's need to throw into, then reading the defense correctly will still have limited effectiveness.

And to just throw out the vast difference in experience because it makes your point stronger is retarded.

How so? The question didn't state who would you take given the same amount of experience.

We know what Alex Smith is, we've seen it. Even in this great bounce back season I struggle to think of a time where I could say "hey Alex Smith really made the difference there." If his defense or running game don't show up though he's screwed.

You just described Tebow.

And I love how I pointed out that Denver had won 4 games in which Willis McGahee had a subpar game and the Broncos won all of the despite the claim that Tebow has been carried to his wins by defense and the running game

In the 4 game winning streak, Tebow played like crap for the first 58 minutes in each game. What the hell kept the team in the games and the other team from scoring if the defense wasn't keeping Denver in those games? It sure wasn't Tebow.

I wasn't saying McGahee was crap or even having a bad year, just that half of Denver wins this season have come in games in which he had a pretty average to bad performance. Making it kind of hard for him to be the main reason Denver has won most of their games this season.

And you just ignore the defense in those games? Cause it sure wasn't Tebow keeping the other teams from scoring. We saw in the last two weeks what happens when Tebow has to actually throw a pass.

But I don't know how I could expect you to know any of this since you pretty clearly only watch the Packers.

I don't watch every Denver game, but it doesn't take much to see his atrocious passing stats. Also not difficult to tell the defense was keeping Denver in games when the scoring updates were showing such low scoring games.

It doesn't take much to see that right now, Tebow is a crappy passer. I'll wait and see how dedicated he is to working on that part of his game.

 

[shag773]

Anyone that's seen both more than one Niners or Broncos game and can compare these players objectively can see Smith is better than Tebow at this point.

Comparing stats is useless because Tebow brings a lot of intangibles to the playing field that won't show up on a stat sheet. I'm fairly indifferent about Tebow as a person. I've been impressed by his better moments. But when he's bad, it's the worst quarterbacking I've ever seen. Ever. And I've sat through Guido Merkins in '87, the trio of Jeff Kemp, Brad Goebel, and Pat Ryan in '91, and Bobby Hoying in '98. He can be brutal to watch.

Tebow's run was fun to watch, but let's not forget his 7 wins came against teams that has a combined record of 44-61. Kind of reminds of Vick in the early 2000's. I never missed a game, was highly entertained, but never sat there and said wow, I wish he was an Eagle. He won't win consistently in the league.

I'll take a game manager who fits neatly into a system vs an inconsistent player who needs an offense built around him that may bring questionable results.

 

[shag773]

BTW....this thread is looking like the Sanchez vs Freeman thread 2.0.....

 

:vsndrama:

 

[uncle whiskers]

I'd still take Tebow now because he's a better leader of men than Smith has ever proven to be

i realize i'm new and all but is this a forum for retards?

 

[Liquidrob]

Was watching something the other day, maybe espn, tebow has the same delivery he had in high school, or his release time is exactly the same from high school, all that stuff he did before and at his pro work out are gone

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I'd rather have Tim Tebow in San Francisco under Harbaugh :dunno:

 

[Houston]

BTW....this thread is looking like the Sanchez vs Freeman thread 2.0.....

 

:vsndrama:

Except neither of those players are making the playoffs this year. At least this debate is about relevant QB's.

 

[Realist]

So it doesn't matter is what you're saying? I think Tebow's presence in the huddle inspires a lot more confidence in his teammates than Smith has ever been shown to do.

If someone could link me to some Alex Smith comeback wins that would great.

Did it earlier in the thread. He's had 4 this year alone. but here's another article about it http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2011/12/30/comparing-the-comebacks-joe-vs-alex/

 

[Villain]

So it doesn't matter is what you're saying? I think Tebow's presence in the huddle inspires a lot more confidence in his teammates than Smith has ever been shown to do.

If someone could link me to some Alex Smith comeback wins that would great.

Google it yourself, but I'm pretty sure it was Alex Smith who threw a game-winning TD to Delanie Walker in Detroit this year. It was on 4th and Goal from the 11-yard line. AAMOF I'm also pretty sure that most of the first few wins were comebacks, including the one against Philly when they hadn't all gotten hurt yet. The story of that game was that Philly lost - no one gave a shit about San Francisco.

:gtfo:

I hate this talk about Tim Tebow working hard and trying the very best he can. Like he's the only fucking dude in the NFL that works hard and believes in God? It's bullshit. The NFL is full of hard workers. How do you think they got there in the first place? Freak physique and talent will get you into D-1. It takes more than that to go to the next level.

He's just the guy who's hardwork and religion are put out on display for everyone and we're all just eating it up. We live in a world where kids are rewarded more for trying hard than actually winning, so you get a good looking, nice guy, quality human being like Tebow and put his "trying-hardness" out there for everyone and he wins?

:jizz:

 

[bucky]

At this point yeah, Smith is the better player.

There ya go, end thread.

 

[shag773]

So it doesn't matter is what you're saying? I think Tebow's presence in the huddle inspires a lot more confidence in his teammates than Smith has ever been shown to do.

If someone could link me to some Alex Smith comeback wins that would great.

He came back from 23 at the Linc vs the Birds earlier this year.

 

[bucky]

And the only reason I pointed out the work Tebow had put in was because it seemed like Bucky thought Tebow hasn't done any work on his throwing motion and was just fine with leaving it the way it is.

He isn't working any where near hard enough at it. That or he's just a really slow learner, cause that throwing motion hasn't changed. It's still crap.