The Bret Hart scale...Let's rate random wrestlers.

[EmpireWF]

C'mon now, Rude deserved at least a 6.5 if not a 7. I mean, he got an awesome match out of Warrior!

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

C'mon now, Rude deserved at least a 6.5 if not a 7. I mean, he got an awesome match out of Warrior!

Injuries did him in. At his best, sure...probably a 6.5.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

C'mon now, Rude deserved at least a 6.5 if not a 7. I mean, he got an awesome match out of Warrior!

I'm with larry, I always found his work to be boring and bland.

He had a bunch of stinkers in WCW vs. Ricky Steamboat, Sting, etc. He had a match at Halloween Havoc one year against Masa Chono ('92? '93?) that was one of the worst matches I have ever seen between two competent workers.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I'm also trying to use the whole 10-scale. Not afraid to throw out 1's 2's and 3's and like to use the middle of the order to actually show guys who were average.

I'm really just rating top guys or guys that just come up in my mind...the more average a guy is, the more average scores he gets.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Rude, to me, was the epitome of average in terms of his work. I'm with you.

At various points of his career, i'd even go 4.

World Class/NWA Tag Title era: 6
WWF: 5
WCW: 4

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

CM Punk​

Physical Appearance / Look / Character - 6.5/10. One of the few guys in this era of wrestling that has a legitimate unique look to him and a really unique character. Bumped to a 6.5 after deliberation.
Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 8.5/10. Well, we just saw what he was capable of a week ago. He can really put together a passionate promo like few others.
In-Ring Work - 9/10. One of the best in the biz at the moment. Haven't really seen a "bad" match...still waiting on a classic on the WWE stage. Had quite a few on the Indy level.

TOTAL - 24/30
*edited post Money in the Bank

 

[EmpireWF]

CM Punk​

One of the few guys in this era of wrestling that has a legitimate unique look to him

Disagree with that to a degree. Tons of guys are all tatted up, he changed his hair style so it's more generic. Not a lot about his look (beyond his tights/kickpads) is unique IMO.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Disagree with that to a degree. Tons of guys are all tatted up, he changed his hair style so it's more generic. Not a lot about his look (beyond his tights/kickpads) is unique IMO.

Have you watched wrestling in the United States recently?

WWE
TNA
The Indy scene

Bro, filled with generic looking guys. Short cut, cut up, baby face...they are all over.

Punker is one of the few guys, IMO, with a look that is unique in the business right now.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Randy Orton​

Look/Gimmick: 5. Looks like every single guy that the WWE has called up from developmental the last ten years. Vanilla as it gets. Fans don't react to him, but the company insists he's a star, so they put him on the taped show where they can pipe in sound to make him seem like one.

Promo: 2. Talks...really...slow.......kinda sounds retarded. Acts badly. Makes weird faces. Has odd mannerisms. Does a really lame Jake Roberts impression, but fails miserably in conveying the same type of cerebral creepiness. He's just..creepy, in a "keep him from your 16 year old daughter" way. A perfect gimmick for him would probably be a wrestling robot.

Work: 3. "Meh" is a word that comes to mind. Works even slower than he talks. Builds entire match around reverse chin locks, and the worst finisher ever, the over used RKO. Never had a match I would ever watch twice.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Surely Randy's absolutely hideous skull sleeve tattoos warrant him atleast a 6. :shifty:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Blandy Boreton is the antithesis of what a pro wrestler should be, yet is exactly what the WWE looks for in an "entertainer". They are in a funk because of uninteresting dudes like him.

 

[EmpireWF]

Bryan Danielson
Circa 2006-07, Ring of Honor​

Look/Gimmick: 6 - Would be higher if not for his very generic look. If you were to just look at a picture of him, you wouldn't know how good he was. He was a pasty white guy with a shaved head (or maybe a lot of hair depending on the period) in maroon tights and boots. He gets points for the 'gimmick' where he was the guy who could "go" in any situation and was out to win at all costs. Particularly, he gets points for his heelish run because despite the fact he was beloved by the ROH crowd when he was champ, he could still pull some heel shit and get great heat (to a certain extent).

Promo: 7 - While he would never be compared to Hogan or HBK or Austin or Rock, he could do both heel and babyface well on the mic. He could make you consider him the most arrogant prick in the world or the bravest underdog willing to fight through hell. Despite working in front of hundreds to maybe 1500 people around the ROH loop, he made you believe he truly was the best wrestler in the world.

Work: 10 - call me a Dragon mark, but for a good chunk of time, he was srsly the best American wrestler. He had matches with a wide range of guys and they ranged from above average to great to holy shit that was fucking awesome. He could also do a wide range of styles ranging from mat based WRESTLING, to the hardcore blood and guts style to comedy to 60 minute draws to tags, etc. His match with KENTA at the 2006 Glory by Honor is the greatest live match I've seen.

23/30

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That 10 is fair. He's an all time great if he retired tomorrow. Which he might as well do, since he doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Danielson, on this scale, IMO, rates awful.

His look is average or worse.
His ability to put himself over is probably average.
His work is a legit 10, and honestly, I'd probably want to bump him to an 11 or 12 just to boost the total. On a scale like this, he'd rate below a guy like Rick Rude, IMO.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Blandy Boreton is the antithesis of what a pro wrestler should be, yet is exactly what the WWE looks for in an "entertainer". They are in a funk because of uninteresting dudes like him.

You and I are definitely high end Heyman marks...

Do you know he absolutely LOVES Orton...probably not for what he is, but for what Heyman thinks he could make him?

 

[dave]

Bret Hart

Physical Appearance / Look / Character - 8/10
Covered up his body most of the time, so it was hard to tell, but it's obvious he was in great shape. He had both a distinct look (the pink tights, long wet hair) and character.

Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 8/10
I always saw Hart as the 3rd best of his generation. He was no Stone Cold or HBK where selling himself was concerned. Hell, he wasn't even Kevin Nash or Scott Hall. Bret Hart didn't excite people the way those other guys did - and isn't that what selling yourself is about? Frankly, I thought his off-work interviews (while whiny as hell) were more interesting. That said, you can't deny the man his place in history.

In-Ring Work - 9/10
You can't deny his in-ring skills. The only thing missing for me here are spectacular aerials or feats of strength. Bret Hart was a great in-ring worker, but for me, he was no Ricky Steamboat ... and, frankly, I preferred Curt Hennig.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Danielson, on this scale, IMO, rates awful.

His look is average or worse.
His ability to put himself over is probably average.
His work is a legit 10, and honestly, I'd probably want to bump him to an 11 or 12 just to boost the total. On a scale like this, he'd rate below a guy like Rick Rude, IMO.

Danielson knows what he is and has sneaky charisma. His facial expressions and mannerisms are top notch. His promos are better than average. They are off the charts using the John Morrison/Bobby Eaton curve.

You and I are definitely high end Heyman marks...

Do you know he absolutely LOVES Orton...probably not for what he is, but for what Heyman thinks he could make him?

Yeah, well, just like with Rhyno, Heyman is wrong.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The Berzerker​

Look: 8/10 C'mon now.. does this guy look like a pro wrestling viking or what? The sword and shield are outstanding.

Mic Work: 3/10 Huss! Huss! Huss!

Ring Work: 3/10 This guy pretty much just walked around the ring screaming "HUSS" over and over and throw the occasional clothesline and body block.

Total: 14/30

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Chris Jericho
The Ayatollah of Rock'n'Rolla​

Physical Appearance / Look / Character - 7/10. I prefer the long hair and ridiculous goatee.
Ability to Talk/Sell Yourself - 10/10. I'm not going to split hairs between a Jericho 10 and a Flair 10. 10 it is. One of the best of all-time. Fuck you if you disagree.
In-Ring Work - 9/10. Never or very rarely has a bad match. However, as has been mentioned, lacks that "moment" match that defines him in the ring. I gave Savage an 8 for some reason, so I'll have to change Savage's 8 to a 9. A guy who is just outside that elite group of workers...still great. A W2BTD 25-10 type of guy on the ring work scale.

TOTAL - 26/30

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The Berzerker​

Look: 8/10 C'mon now.. does this guy look like a pro wrestling viking or what? The sword and shield are outstanding.

Mic Work: 3/10 Huss! Huss! Huss!

Ring Work: 3/10 This guy pretty much just walked around the ring screaming "HUSS" over and over and throw the occasional clothesline and body block.

Total: 14/30

If Jim Nord isn't a 1 or 2 on the mic, I don't know what it, bruh.