The Most Valuable Player of The NFL...

[Deviant]

Mike Vick....MVP?
really?? and this is based on 1 MNF game?? i am not saying he cant play cause he definitely can play in "Todays League".
he defintely gets "comback kid" in my book but lets face it.
QBs this year suck ass. they are all having a mediocre year compared to the years past.

JMHO

I said the Redskins game solidified it, not that it was the only reason. He's been playing at this level all season. The game that he had last night was just an outlier in comparison to the rest of the season.

Also, how have quarterbacks sucked ass this year? We have a quarterback on pace to break Marino's 5,083 yard season. The top 10 quarterbacks in the league have been playing out of their mind.

 

[SethMode]

I said the Redskins game solidified it, not that it was the only reason. He's been playing at this level all season. The game that he had last night was just an outlier in comparison to the rest of the season.

Also, how have quarterbacks sucked ass this year? We have a quarterback on pace to break Marino's 5,083 yard season. The top 10 quarterbacks in the league have been playing out of their mind.

Really? The top 10? Who are they, exactly?

 

[Deviant]

Really? The top 10? Who are they, exactly?

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, and (last, but certainly not least) Michael Vick.

Eagles are 5-0 with. I don't understand why he's being so penalized for missing games. He played more than half the game against the Packers and damn near almost won it despite Kolb starting. With how much better the Eagles are with Vick, I can excuse the fact that he's missed 3 1/2 games.

The Giants (2nd best defense in the NFL) contained Vick this week and he still finds a way to be productive with minimal mistakes. Vick has only had one turnover all year. One. It was a lost fumble. Not even an interception. And it's not as if he's been playing conservatively.

I know some have argued "Well, Kolb wasn't that far off from Vick" as a reason as to why Vick shouldn't be MVP and I see where people are going with that (see Curtis Painter), but that should have no bearing. The Eagles are on a whole 'nother level when Vick is on the field. Is Kolb serviceable? Yes. But Vick is far above serviceable.

The only other candidate I can see beating out Vick is Rivers, who the thread seems to agree with. Brady's up there is well. Not so much Peyton this year (who was my favorite last year). The only knock I have against Rivers would be that the Chargers aren't playoff-bound at the current moment, but that'll most likely change.

The thing that stands out for me with Vick is not only the stat line (who, apparently, people think I'm going crazy over), but that he hasn't committed turnovers and that he just is the best player on the field once he steps on. I don't see any reason to doubt the Eagles are the best team in the NFC when Vick is on the field, so I don't see how this guy can't, at least, be in the running for MVP. Especially if he keeps up the season that he has.

 

[ram29jackson]

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, and (last, but certainly not least) Michael Vick.

Eagles are 5-0 with. I don't understand why he's being so penalized for missing games. He played more than half the game against the Packers and damn near almost won it despite Kolb starting. With how much better the Eagles are with Vick, I can excuse the fact that he's missed 3 1/2 games.

The Giants (2nd best defense in the NFL) contained Vick this week and he still finds a way to be productive with minimal mistakes. Vick has only had one turnover all year. One. It was a lost fumble. Not even an interception. And it's not as if he's been playing conservatively.

I know some have argued "Well, Kolb wasn't that far off from Vick" as a reason as to why Vick shouldn't be MVP and I see where people are going with that (see Curtis Painter), but that should have no bearing. The Eagles are on a whole 'nother level when Vick is on the field. Is Kolb serviceable? Yes. But Vick is far above serviceable.

The only other candidate I can see beating out Vick is Rivers, who the thread seems to agree with. Brady's up there is well. Not so much Peyton this year (who was my favorite last year). The only knock I have against Rivers would be that the Chargers aren't playoff-bound at the current moment, but that'll most likely change.

The thing that stands out for me with Vick is not only the stat line (who, apparently, people think I'm going crazy over), but that he hasn't committed turnovers and that he just is the best player on the field once he steps on. I don't see any reason to doubt the Eagles are the best team in the NFC when Vick is on the field, so I don't see how this guy can't, at least, be in the running for MVP. Especially if he keeps up the season that he has.

i'm sure you have to play above a minimum amount of games to be considered. Cut your liberal whining and get over it

 

[GoChargers]

i'm sure you have to play above a minimum amount of games to be considered. Cut your liberal whining and get over it

13.5 games won't be enough? Why the hell are people going on about time Vick has missed being a minus point? Look at the difference in the team between when he is there and when he's not. They looked like a run of the mill 8-8 team without him, now they're looking like a 12-4 superbowl contender.

 

[ram29jackson]

13.5 games won't be enough? Why the hell are people going on about time Vick has missed being a minus point? Look at the difference in the team between when he is there and when he's not. They looked like a run of the mill 8-8 team without him, now they're looking like a 12-4 superbowl contender.

they will be an early playoff loss contender and nothing more

 

[bucky]

they will be an early playoff loss contender and nothing more

Isn't MVP decided before the playoffs start? Even if they are an early exit, it shouldn't have any effect on the MVP voting. Anybody know exactly when MVP voting takes place? Am I wrong?

 

[Aso]

Mike Vick....MVP?
really?? and this is based on 1 MNF game?? i am not saying he cant play cause he definitely can play in "Todays League".
he defintely gets "comback kid" in my book but lets face it.
QBs this year suck ass. they are all having a mediocre year compared to the years past.

JMHO

It's not based on 1 MNF game, it's based on his play all season long. Now 17 touchdowns to 1 turnover. Remarkable.

 

[FirstTimer]

Mike Vick....MVP?
really?? and this is based on 1 MNF game?? i am not saying he cant play cause he definitely can play in "Todays League".
he defintely gets "comback kid" in my book but lets face it.
QBs this year suck ass. they are all having a mediocre year compared to the years past.JMHO

Phillip Rivers laughs at you.

 

[Tailback U]

It pains me to say this as a Raiders fan, but, Phillip Rivers is the fucking shit.

 

[NAHSTE]

Philip Rivers is doing a great job spreading the ball around. To have the top passing attack without a true number one WR is remarkable. I looked at their reception totals and there are at least 10 guys with double digit receptions, and 5 or 6 in the 20s.

He's still a bitch, and until he does it in the playoffs he's not going to be considered Manning/Brady level elite, but he's making a strong case this season.

I still want to see how things play out, but for now, Vick is my leader in the clubhouse. The difference in that Eagles squad with him in the lineup is night and day. And he's been flat out unstoppable. If that continues, he'll win the award going away.

 

[FirstTimer]

Philip Rivers is doing a great job spreading the ball around. To have the top passing attack without a true number one WR is remarkable. I looked at their reception totals and there are at least 10 guys with double digit receptions, and 5 or 6 in the 20s.

He's still a bitch, and until he does it in the playoffs he's not going to be considered Manning/Brady level elite, but he's making a strong case this season.

I still want to see how things play out, but for now, Vick is my leader in the clubhouse. The difference in that Eagles squad with him in the lineup is night and day. And he's been flat out unstoppable. If that continues, he'll win the award going away.

Two things:

1. Your initial point/context is how Rivers is doing all this with sub par talent hwoever you demand him to "do it in the playoffs" with an inferior surrounding cast that you already pointed out. These two points don't seem to jive. If you are openly admitting Rivers is doing a great job with less talent than most other QB's than it seems that demanding he "do it in the playoffs"( I assume you mean win) against teams that will be better than the Chargers in the toughest conference in the NFL seems a bit off.

2. Rivers isn't horrible int he playoffs anyways. His career record is 3-4. He hasn't been spectacular in the playoffs but you could argue too that he's had players aroudn him like LT choke on it come playoff time as well.

 

[NAHSTE]

Two things:

1. Your initial point/context is how Rivers is doing all this with sub par talent hwoever you demand him to "do it in the playoffs" with an inferior surrounding cast that you already pointed out. These two points don't seem to jive. If you are openly admitting Rivers is doing a great job with less talent than most other QB's than it seems that demanding he "do it in the playoffs"( I assume you mean win) against teams that will be better than the Chargers in the toughest conference in the NFL seems a bit off.

2. Rivers isn't horrible int he playoffs anyways. His career record is 3-4. He hasn't been spectacular in the playoffs but you could argue too that he's had players aroudn him like LT choke on it come playoff time as well.

1. True. It is unfair to praise him for doing more with less then expect that to continue against top teams. Like Drew Brees before him though (and Manning to an extent), until he puts together a notable team accomplishment, the lofty stats will ring hollow.

2. Also true. Norv Turner is the reason they suck in the playoffs.

I guess from a leadership standpoint though, I'd like to see the Chargers not choke this time. They don't have to win a certain amount of postseason games for me to "accept" Rivers as a top QB, but I'd like to see a bit more from him in big games to gauge his maturation process.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Philip Rivers is doing a great job spreading the ball around. To have the top passing attack without a true number one WR is remarkable. I looked at their reception totals and there are at least 10 guys with double digit receptions, and 5 or 6 in the 20s.

He's still a bitch, and until he does it in the playoffs he's not going to be considered Manning/Brady level elite, but he's making a strong case this season.

I still want to see how things play out, but for now, Vick is my leader in the clubhouse. The difference in that Eagles squad with him in the lineup is night and day. And he's been flat out unstoppable. If that continues, he'll win the award going away.

I think Philly's season wouldnt be that much different with Kolb. They would probably still be a playoff contender.

However, I can't imagine SD winning more that a game or two at this point without Rivers.

1. Rivers
2. Vick

 

[FirstTimer]

1. True. It is unfair to praise him for doing more with less then expect that to continue against top teams. Like Drew Brees before him though (and Manning to an extent), until he puts together a notable team accomplishment, the lofty stats will ring hollow.

2. Also true. Norv Turner is the reason they suck in the playoffs.

I guess from a leadership standpoint though, I'd like to see the Chargers not choke this time. They don't have to win a certain amount of postseason games for me to "accept" Rivers as a top QB, but I'd like to see a bit more from him in big games to gauge his maturation process.

Let's not forget Brees was a Favre INT away from sitting at home again.

To say because Favre threw an INT that Brees isn't a choker anymore I'll never get. I never thought Brees was a choke artist but a play he had literally nothing to do with doesn't really change anything about the way I view him.

 

[Deviant]

I think Philly's season wouldnt be that much different with Kolb. They would probably still be a playoff contender.

However, I can't imagine SD winning more that a game or two at this point without Rivers.

1. Rivers
2. Vick

Agree with Rivers point.

Absolutely disagree with Vick point. All I see out of Kolb is someone who is serviceable. When Kolb is on, I see the Eagles as a +/-.500 team and his record/playing has shown it. Not to say Kolb can't win, but Vick is on a whole 'nother level.

 

[Deviant]

Curious to hear opinions after this week.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'd say Rivers is still the leader.

Manning is out of the conversation, Vick is still in the mix, so is Brady, and throw Matt Ryan in there now that Atlanta is separating themsleves a bit from the pack.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

As much as I fucking hate that douchebag, I say Rivers is definitely MVP if SD makes the playoffs. If not, Matt Ryan.

 

[Senser81]

As much as I fucking hate that douchebag, I say Rivers is definitely MVP if SD makes the playoffs. If not, Matt Ryan.

Matt Ryan...third best player on his offense...NFL MVP.