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Wow. Awful news. Kyle Rudolph is done for the season. You could tell he was struggling some with his hamstring against Pitt, but I didn't think it was this bad. With Eifert still not 100%, Mike Ragone is going to have to step up. Mike has had a history of stone hands so far, and it's hurt in key situations. His speed is worthless if he can't catch the ball.
 
I hope the kid can come back...don't know if its too late for a medical redshirt from the NCAA.

Definitely too late for a medical redshirt. He may very well be back next season depending on the status of the CBA at the end of the season. We'll have to see when that comes around. If a new CBA is in place, I think it's more likely that he's gone.

ND tight ends have the worst luck.
 
Jordan Prestwood a 3 star OL/TE guy from Florida decommitted.

Its between ND, FSU, and Florida.

Sucks about Rudolph too. I wonder if Kelly will get Alex Welch out there.
 
Jordan Prestwood a 3 star OL/TE guy from Florida decommitted.

Its between ND, FSU, and Florida.

Sucks about Rudolph too. I wonder if Kelly will get Alex Welch out there.

Kelly said he'd prefer to keep Welch on the bench at this point to preserve a year of eligibility. At this point, playing him would be a last resort with the other four guys ahead of him.
 
Pitt

The Good

- Armando Allen. This guy seems to be a mainstay here. He ran fast, quick, and hard yet again. His vision seems much better this year as well. He seems to be finding creases much better and it's helping him make larger gains.

- Cierre Wood. Good to see him have a nice bounce back game. Showed good vision and burst and did a good job of taking what was there and making the most of his runs.

- David Ruffer. Love this kid. I know he is a senior..but he's also a transfer. He has to have a season or two of eligibility left right?

- Kapron Lewis Moore. Where the hell has he been? Seemed to be MIA after the 3rd quarter of the Michigan game but bounced back real strong with this one. Made lots of plays in the run game and did a great job with pass rush.

-Ian Williams. The bandwagon is getting fuller with this guy but he yet again played excellent. Ian is a great example of what the new training tables, strength and conditioning program have done for this team.

-Prince Shembo. He always seems to be around the ball(quarterback) when he's in.

-Robert Blanton. Played an excellent game and he will need to keep coming up big with Gary Gray and Darrrin Walls being a little nicked up.

-Michael Floyd. Lots of big catches including what could have been the game sealing TD.

-Theo Riddick. Turning into a real electric player. His double juke move on the Pitt defenders was sick.

-Harrison Smith. All of the field making plays. Loved it. About time.

-Ben Turk. Holy cripes! Where the heck has that been?


-The offensive line. Namely the tackles. Gave up an early sack but for a couple kids getting their first real extended action against a very good Pitt DLine they protected Crist well and opened nice lanes in the running game.

-The teams mental toughness. This a game this team loses last year but they hung in and finished the ball game right.


The Bad

- Dave Wannstadt. Why the hell wasn't he running the ball more?

- The two Pitt touchdowns. Notre Dame made two mistakes all day on defense and it resulted in 14 points. Two undicisplined mistakes. And it cost them.

- Mike Ragone. That drop could have been REAL costly.

- Kyle Rudolph. I know the kid was playing really hurt but he still has to make that catch inside the 10.


The Ugly

- Kyle Rudolph injury. This is really all I could think of for here. Losing Rudolph hurts...a lot. Ragone and Eifert need to step up big time and hopefully they can. Alex Welch won't see the field this season so it comes down to these two. It's about time Ragone turned into the player he was supposed to be coming out of high school. He could make himself an NFL draft pick with a strong showing over the remaining games. Hopefully Rudolph heals and we have him back next season.


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Sorry for the lateness of this but I'm getting married tomorrow and the last week has been absolutely crazy. I most likely won't have a review up for the WMU as my wedding being at 2pm CST will not allow me to watch the game live and I'll be in Mexico for a week for my honeymoon. So I guess I'm taking a one week vacation from this.

Hopefully we win these next three games like we are supposed to. That would make us 6-3 heading into Utah, Army, and USC. 7-5 seems likely at this point and I think that's a solid showing from a team that started 1-3. At some point they will need to start winning games against top teams but this year is clearly a building block towards what Kelly wants to do over the long term. I can see the progress and am liking it thus far. I'd rather have a slower build back to the top then what we saw with Willingham and Weis, a metoric rise...then a soul crushing crash.

Take care fellow Irish fans.

Go Irish.
 
Sorry for the lateness of this but I'm getting married tomorrow and the last week has been absolutely crazy. I most likely won't have a review up for the WMU as my wedding being at 2pm CST will not allow me to watch the game live and I'll be in Mexico for a week for my honeymoon. So I guess I'm taking a one week vacation from this.

Hopefully we win these next three games like we are supposed to. That would make us 6-3 heading into Utah, Army, and USC. 7-5 seems likely at this point and I think that's a solid showing from a team that started 1-3. At some point they will need to start winning games against top teams but this year is clearly a building block towards what Kelly wants to do over the long term. I can see the progress and am liking it thus far. I'd rather have a slower build back to the top then what we saw with Willingham and Weis, a metoric rise...then a soul crushing crash.

Take care fellow Irish fans.

Go Irish.

Sorry to hear.

RIP FirstTimer.
 
Western Michigan thoughts:

-Good to see Cierre have a good game. He needs to have these kind of performances every week.
-Aside from the fumble, Eifert looked good out there. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for the remainder of the season. On the other side of the line, KLM had another solid game.
-A couple of good hustle plays by Ethan Johnson. I'd really like to see his production rise.
-Manti Te'o continues to get a few hits a game that make you say "wow". He's looking to lay people out on every play.
-Another good game from Robert Blanton. He consistently beat receivers trying to block him and made plays on swing passes and outside runs.
-Once again, ND allowed the QB to escape the pocket and make some plays. The d-line needs to create more pressure off the edge.
-Crist continues to struggle with his accuracy. This needs to be his main focus this offseason. When he's making accurate throws, this offense moves down the field and is fun to watch. However, when he's off the mark, the offense sputters and looks like the '07 version.
-I liked the new jerseys, but I wish Adidas would make the monogram on the sleeves clearer with more distinguishable colors. You can barely make it out with the very light gold they have outlining the interlocking ND.
-Chris Watt was getting beat pretty badly by WMU's speed rusher. He's going to need to do better.
-I haven't seen a replay yet, so I don't know who the offensive PI was supposed to be called for it on TJ Jones' reception in the redzone. Regardless, I don't think any other receiver was in the vicinity of the pass, so I'm unsure why PI would be called on anyone else. That combined with the no call on the tackle on Floyd in the back of the endzone while the ball was in the air was puzzling. Two very questionable calls on the same drive.

The Irish move on to Navy next week, and I'm interested to see how they perform. The last time ND came out with the 3-4 defense against the Midshipmen, Navy moved the ball very efficiently. I'd like to see a lot of improvement here. I'd also like to see ND score and score early. Get up early, and force Navy get out of their comfort zone and pass. As witnessed in the last three games, if you make mistakes on offense and let them stick around, they will make the game too close for comfort to say the least.
 
I know a coaching change isn't likely to see drastic results in the first season, but this was easily the worst game since 2007. I know hindsight is 20/20, but Kelly should have held extra practices this week to prepare. The defense looked lost out there today. Guys couldn't shed blocks, couldn't tackle, couldn't cover, and couldn't decide what man was their assignment in some instances. I mentioned that using the 3-4 worried me given 2007, and I see nothing that dissuade my opinion today. It allows for Navy's linemen to get on the middle linebackers easily with their splits, and that essentially takes them out of the game since they don't shed blocks well.

The offense was a nightmare. That opening drive set the tone for the rest of the game. I didn't understand the gameplan at all. Why try to pound the ball and run the clock against a team that specializes in it. IMO ND needed to score early and score fast to take Navy out of the game, and only then would I want to see them run the ball.

I will not be surprised when there are rumblings of a QB controversy this offseason. Crist's accuracy has not shown much improvement over the season, and if today is any indication, he's regressed in this department. He will not hold on to the starting job unless his accuracy improves.

I'm just shocked at how unprepared the team looked. What a fucking awful week of preparation.
 
Not here to troll, just want to say that Notre Dame losing to Navy makes me feel a little better about LSU losing to Auburn. It still stings, but then I think that at least my school lost to an SEC West team, and not a service academy.

As a Catholic mick who has a casual interest in ND football, what the fuck is going on? I didn't catch the game because I was at the sports bar all afternoon. Interior defense get shredded or what? And where was the offense?
 
Not here to troll, just want to say that Notre Dame losing to Navy makes me feel a little better about LSU losing to Auburn. It still stings, but then I think that at least my school lost to an SEC West team, and not a service academy.

As a catholic Mick who has a casual interest in ND football, what the fuck is going on? I didn't catch the game because I was at the sports bar all afternoon. Interior defense get shredded or what? And where was the offense?

Terrible gameplan on both offense and defense. Terrible preparation throughout the week. The defense looked like it was their first time seeing the triple option from the start, and it appeared that no adjustments were made during the course of the game. On offense, the gameplan was to play a ball control, rushing offense, and when it was too late, Crist couldn't hit anyone but Navy defenders when it mattered. He consistently underthrew his receivers and was off target for most of the day. Overall, just a fucking clusterfuck of a showing.

It also doesn't help that throughout the week Kelly seemed content to not use the extra practice time available (due to Fall break) to prepare for the game.
 
I've not been a proponent of Kelly since they hired him...but I hate him even worse after yesterday. One of the biggest things that pissed me off was punting with 12 minutes left in the game on 4th and 3. I know we sucked all day, but you don't just give up. It sends a bad message to the players and the fans. I know that overcoming a 25 point defecit with that much time left would be nearly impossible, but I've seen crazier things happen. One of the things I enjoyed with Weis is that he never gave up. I think that's why all of our losses last year came by 7 points or less. I lost a lot of respect for Kelly yesterday.

I stopped watching after the 3rd, but I agree about not giving up. Hell, Navy almost came back against ND two years ago when they were down 20 points (albeit with the help of an inept replay official).

As far as Weis' philosophy goes, he always gameplanned to put points on the board quickly to build a lead because he knew that Navy's offense will just chew up clock and limit your opportunities if they're still in the game. Offensively, you have to be aggressive and mistake free due to that reason. I honestly think Kelly underestimated how hard Navy fights to win ballgames based on his comments during the week.
 
The Good

......

- Duval Kamara I thought he did a good job of filling in for Floyd. We all know he isn't Floyd but he made some nice catches played physical and did what he was asked to do.

- TJ Jones. Had one drop late in the game when it didn't matter but otherwise played a very good football game. Seemed to be one of the few Irish players who played with any sense of urgency.

- David Ruffer. Still perfect.

- Armando Allen. Ran hard and still had a nice game on offense despite most likely playing at less than 100%

The Bad

Where to even begin....

- The entire team outside of those mentioned above. We came out and played flat uninspired football. For whatever reason this team came in to town with the attitude that they were 7-0 rather than 4-3. We looked almost disinterested in being on the field at times and seemed bored playing against Navy. Not that "fire and passion" would have made a hell of a lot of difference but the teams attitude was a bit scary to say the least.

- The defense just looked awful. Pathetic. Ian Williams did nothing for the first time all season. Te'o had one good play and then got manhandled the rest of the way. The OLB's looked completely lost. Brian Smith overrunning an OBVIOUS screen play on the first Navy TD was ridiculous but par for the course with this kid. I guess I don't have much to say about the secondary because Navy rarely passed and they had to deal with fullbacks running full speed at them nearly untouched but the front 7 of Notre Dame today looked terrible.

- The coaching staff. I really saw no major adjustments in the game plan and it seemed our kids had never seen a cut block before. I wasn't at the practices or at the meetings all week but our defense looked ridiculously unprepared and not "uncoached'

- Dayne Crist. Wow. Amazing how a loss really starts to brings out all his weaknesses even more so. He had a nice scramble or two but his accuracy was again off and something needs to be done about his throwing motion. He has an odd hitch in it and he takes too long to get rid of the ball. I'm not suggesting a large change but he seems to have a bit of a looping throwing motion and we need to do something to quicken his release. Any pass over 10 yards seems to float and his down the field accuracy is really bad. The interception at the end of the first half was a huge mistake. Getting to the half down 14-10 or 17-10 after a punt and keeping it a one score game at the point would have made a huge difference rather than being down two scores walking out of the locker room. Maybe it winds up not mattering at all because the defense couldn't stop Navy all day but you can't turn the ball over there. You jut can't.


The Ugly

- Navy 35 Notre Dame 17. :puke:

- The CBS announcers. Holy hell was it bad. David "Ruffner", John "Goodwin", etc. Seriously? Maybe have it happen once and have the producer get in your ear you're saying the kid's name wrong....Nope. All game. It's like this crew showed up after an all night bender sat in the booth with a roster card and just raved about Notre Dame's "size" and Navy's "heart".

- CBS's wide camera angle. We get it. Notre Dame runs a spread but having a camera angle for them on offense that seemingly puts you in the nose bleed section is terrible presentation.

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The most embarrassing loss I can remember in my 20+ years as a Notre Dame fan. That includes the 2007 debacle season that we all really saw coming to some degree. I mean even in 2007, our worst season, it took Navy three overtimes to beat us. If someone has a more embarrassing loss I'd like to hear about it. This team, even in transition, had more expectations. We were one play from beating the #7 team in the country. One play from beating Michigan, and beat a solid Pitt team. This is a team that many saw as possibly winning 8 games all of a sudden with the way we had played recently after a 1-3 start. We got dominated by a service academy. Pathetic.

I almost turned off the game about 5 times but stuck it through. For what reason? I don't know. But in some odd way I expect this team, program, and school to not give up so I'm not going to.

Brian Kelly's honeymoon/new coach/new coach grace period is officially over. How this team and this staff respond from this next week will show a lot. I think we all expected to have a "thud" game on the schedule at some point....but not to Navy.

Hold on to your hats Notre Dame fans.....here we go.

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I've not been a proponent of Kelly since they hired him...but I hate him even worse after yesterday. One of the biggest things that pissed me off was punting with 12 minutes left in the game on 4th and 3. I know we sucked all day, but you don't just give up. It sends a bad message to the players and the fans. I know that overcoming a 25 point deficit with that much time left would be nearly impossible, but I've seen crazier things happen. One of the things I enjoyed with Weis is that he never gave up. I think that's why all of our losses last year came by 7 points or less. I lost a lot of respect for Kelly yesterday.
If the defense had shown ANY ability to stop Navy I might agree but they hadn't. I don't think it was so much Kelly giving up..but having to play with the cards he was dealt and making a decision based upon what had happened for the previous 48 minutes.

I didn't lose any respect for Kelly yesterday. I think the team and the staff laid a collective turd but it doesn't make me respect the man any less.


As far as Weis' philosophy goes, he always gameplanned to put points on the board quickly to build a lead because he knew that Navy's offense will just chew up clock and limit your opportunities if they're still in the game. Offensively, you have to be aggressive and mistake free due to that reason. I honestly think Kelly underestimated how hard Navy fights to win ballgames based on his comments during the week.

The offense was a nightmare. That opening drive set the tone for the rest of the game. I didn't understand the gameplan at all. Why try to pound the ball and run the clock against a team that specializes in it. IMO ND needed to score early and score fast to take Navy out of the game, and only then would I want to see them run the ball.
I think they tried to..the best they could. That's why you saw Kelly go for it on 4th and 1 on the first possession rather than kick the field goal. I liked the decision and all but I also think Kelly knew he needed to play from a lead and was trying to play from the largest lead possible.

Also, I don't think Kelly could run his offense at the faster pace he wanted to. He was missing basically his three best players on offense in Floyd, Riddick, and Rudolph and his other best player on offense(Allen) wasn't at 100%. I think that really limited what Kelly could do on offense and how quickly he could do it as well.

Yeah Notre Dame's first three drives were all long but they also all resulted in points or at least should have. The first drive should have been a TD if the OLine gets any push on 4th and goal from the 1. The next drive was a FG and the drive after that was a TD. Crist threw an interception on the last drive of the half and the wheels came off after that. I don't have so much of an issue with the offensive game plan as I do with Crist's poor play and the defense looking terrible. Not that the offense played well enough to win that game yesterday but with the game Crist had after the middle of the second quarter I really think any offensive gameplan was a moot point.





I will not be surprised when there are rumblings of a QB controversy this offseason.
Still a bit of season left and it depends on who they bring in or what Rees, Massa, Hendrix, and Montana do in the offseason as well.
 
There is no excuse for punting the football. I've been to a number of games where it seemed all was lost but we had a comeback. Three timeouts, twelve minutes, spread offense and only four possessions for three yards? Jesus Christ. I remember during the 2006 season when noter dame played army on senior day. Even though the Irish were ahead like 52-7 in the fourth quarter with 40 seconds left, army called timeouts and tried to at least move the football. I don't care what the score is, you should never come home with timeouts in your pocket and conceding defeat because of what you predict will happen. Shit, I still don't get why Oklahoma punted last night down by only two possessions. WTF was stoops thinking?

And a defense that has barely made a stop and an offense where the quarterback had more luck finding a Navy DB than his own WR's as of late. I think it's ridiculous to lose respect for Kelly for punting when down by 25.
 
I think they tried to..the best they could. That's why you saw Kelly go for it on 4th and 1 on the first possession rather than kick the field goal. I liked the decision and all but I also think Kelly knew he needed to play from a lead and was trying to play from the largest lead possible.

Also, I don't think Kelly could run his offense at the faster pace he wanted to. He was missing basically his three best players on offense in Floyd, Riddick, and Rudolph and his other best player on offense(Allen) wasn't at 100%. I think that really limited what Kelly could do on offense and how quickly he could do it as well.

Yeah Notre Dame's first three drives were all long but they also all resulted in points or at least should have. The first drive should have been a TD if the OLine gets any push on 4th and goal from the 1. The next drive was a FG and the drive after that was a TD. Crist threw an interception on the last drive of the half and the wheels came off after that. I don't have so much of an issue with the offensive game plan as I do with Crist's poor play and the defense looking terrible. Not that the offense played well enough to win that game yesterday but with the game Crist had after the middle of the second quarter I really think any offensive gameplan was a moot point.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but the pace could have been helped with the extra practice time available. I simply do not understand why Kelly didn't opt to use it to prepare for Navy's unique offense, and to bring some of the backups up to speed. Use what you have available to you to better the team IMO. I'm not saying run the guys into the dirt, but make sure the players know what's going on. If that means that extra film prep, walk-throughs, position meetings, etc. is required outside of the normal practice period, so be it. IDK, I'm just pissed at how bad these guys looked yesterday.
 
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