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It's come out that the Blue Jackets have lost 50+mil over the last 3 years.

Owners are threatening to move unless something is figured out soon.
 
leaffan said:
It's come out that the Blue Jackets have lost 50+mil over the last 3 years.

Owners are threatening to move unless something is figured out soon.
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Explains the additions of Carter and Wiz, and not just from a practical, "we need to fix the power play" standpoint. This is definitely a team that needs to create excitement this year and get into the playoffs. Now the onus is on Mason's shoulders.
 
Hey don't worry kid, no pressure! If you do fail though, this franchise is going to fucking move, so don't!



The Jackets have a shitty name, with a shitty logo and are in fucking Ohio. I'd want to move too.
 
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Explains the additions of Carter and Wiz, and not just from a practical, "we need to fix the power play" standpoint. This is definitely a team that needs to create excitement this year and get into the playoffs. Now the onus is on Mason's shoulders.
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They are pretty much at the point right now where if they don't have a season where they at the very minimum break even they are going to seriously consider move unless they can get funding from the new casino's that are coming in.
 
Ohio is just far enough out of the way that Canadians are not driving there, and to far out of the way that no one else outside of Ohio is going to want to drive.

Interest note made in the The Hockey News. You want to know a good reason why Columbus sucks, just go look at their draft picks in the first round.

2000 - Rostislav Klesla (4th overall) traded to Phoenix in 2011
2001 - Pascal Leclaire (8th overall) traded to Ottaway in 2009
2002 - Rick Nash (1st overall) Still with the team
2003 - Nikolai Zherdev (4th overall) traded to New York in 2008
2004 - Alexandre Picard (8th overall) traded to Phoenix in 2010
2005 - Gilbert Brule (6th overall) traded to Edmonton in 2008 (for Raffi Torres lol)
2006 - Deick Brassard (6th overall) still with the team
2007 - Jakub Voracek (7th overall) traded to Philadelphia in 2011
2008 - Nikita Filatov (6th overall) traded to Ottawa in 2011

2009-11 they still have them all, but most are not with the team. 9 picks all within the top 8 and they have 2 left on the team. Their drafting is just terrible. I always like to do this as a "what they could have had" (penguins could have had Toews instead of Stall). But for this I'll post the player picked right behind them, and name some others.

2000 - Raffi Torres 5th, Orpik 18th, Frolov 20th
2001 - Tuomo Ruutu 9th, Hamhuis 12th, Hemsky 13th, Sharp 95th
2002 - Hard to fuck up #1
2003 - Thomas Vanek 5th, Phaneuf 9th, Jeff Carter 11th, Ryan Getzlaf 19th, Kesler 23rd, Richards 24th, Corey Perry 28th, (they really fucked up this draft)
2004 - Ladislav Smid 9th, this draft wasn't good. Riine went 258 and Mark Streit 262,
2005 - Jack Skile 7th, Setoguchi 8th, Kopitar 11th, M. Staal 12th
2006 - Brassard still with team, but Okposo went after him, Frolik, Little, Grabner, Giroux 22nd
2007 - Zach Hamill 7th, Couture 9th, Sutter 11th,
2008 - Colin Wilson 7th, Baily 9th, Myers 12th, Karlsson 15th, Ennis 26

So yeah, not a lot of amazing talent they are getting, and a lot of amazing talent went by. We all know teams draft a dud here and there. But how many times it happened with the Jackets makes me think it is a scouting issue.
 
Tough to compare with the Leafs when you traded them all away. There's no way to evaluate the Leafs scouts when you don't take a player.

Kessel is better than all of those players minus Nash. Schenn is decent too. I think it could be argued.
 
2000 - Brad Boyes (24th) - Then traded to San Jose along with Alyn McCauley and the 2003 1st round pick for Owen Nolan
2001 - Carlo Colaiacovo (17th) - Later traded to St. Louis for Lee Stempniak. Constantly had injuries during his time as a leaf.
2002 - Alex Steen (24th) - Traded to St. Louis in the same trade for Stempnial.
2003 - No Draft Pick (traded to san jose)
2004 - No Draft Pick (traded to rangers)
2005 - Tuukka Rask (21st) - Traded to Boston for Andrew Raycroft (Was placed on waivers a year later)
2006 - Jiri Tlusty (13th) - Traded to Carolina for Philippe Paradis who was traded to chicago last year
2007 - No Draft Pick (used in the toskala trade)
2008 - Schenn
2009 - Kadri
2010 - No Draft Pick (Kessel Deal)
2011 - Had two first rounders but had no picks at the start of the season
 
See now if you're comparing the ability to identify talent, I don't think Toronto is worse at all.

Boyes produced much more than many players C-Bus drafted.
Rask is a capable NHL goalie with potential.
Schenn is a quality top 4 dman

Kadri is still out to decide upon.

Outside of Nash, Columbus is busts or bottom end talent.


The Leafs IMO have made better player selections when they did pick in comparison, they just poorly dealt 1st round picks for over the hill veterans (Leetch, Nolan, Toskala) that didn't give them any return.


So talent evaluation is better but awful asset management.
 
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See now if you're comparing the ability to identify talent, I don't think Toronto is worse at all.

Boyes produced much more than many players C-Bus drafted.
Rask is a capable NHL goalie with potential.
Schenn is a quality top 4 dman

Kadri is still out to decide upon.

Outside of Nash, Columbus is busts or bottom end talent.


The Leafs IMO have made better player selections when they did pick in comparison, they just poorly dealt 1st round picks for over the hill veterans (Leetch, Nolan, Toskala) that didn't give them any return.


So talent evaluation is better but awful asset management.
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I thought you were talking about just bad 1st round day at the draft.

If you're talking about talent evaluation then yah toronto isn't anywhere near as bad.
 
I thought Atlanta would be the best team, but their problem was, new expansion team getting top talent and no other players to work with. If Heatley stays in Atlanta maybe Kovy and him start to do magic and turn things around.

I have been looking through teams, and yeah, it is hard to find someone that bad. The Islanders so far are as 'close' as they come as their mid 2000's are gone, but look at their last 5 first rounders, Okposo, Baily, Tavers, Niederreiter and Strome, they will be fine. You know those 5 are going no where.
 
Atlanta's franchise died with Dan Snyder.

they had the 1-2 superstar punch, in their very young primes, which is basically required for a championship team and it was broken up by Heatley killing his teammate.

They could have built around them and become a more attractive destination for free agents.
 
And you really don't need a Joe Thornton to set up two superstars like that. A competent centre would do. One of the many play makers in the league would have fit right in between them, and watched his numbers skyrocket as Heater and Kovy dump in goals. They drafted Little in 2006, so he could foot the bill for that.

They were starting to turn the team around, and playing in a weak Southwest were basically it was Washington and no one else could have helped.
 
Kevin Dineen the panthers head coach said he wanted to have an open door policy with his players.... So he literally took the doors off his office, hinges and all.

lol thats awesome.
 
leaffan said:
Kevin Dineen the panthers head coach said he wanted to have an open door policy with his players.... So he literally took the doors off his office, hinges and all.

lol thats awesome.
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Thats solid. As a former player, he should know whether or not something like this will work, so go for it.
 
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