The Soccer Thread

[1ke]

Second that, I think Essien is top 3 box to box mids in the world. I wouldnt give that dude up for anything. And CB, i wasnt goin on goal amount, it just seemed like Elmander was the one shining everytime I watched Bolton. Dumb call.

And Archer, remember now it doesnt take much to outbid AW. He wont go very far in that area. And I guess its how you value price. I consider Owen to be a fair value, not only because of how and where he played in the final against Chelski, but also because of this year and seeing how he was missed at times. And I think Carricks play speaks for itself this year, goals and pasing he was ver solid game in and game out. We can agree to disagree about how much they cost and if it was too much.

 

[T.Dot]

That can't be serious?

Seedorf is what 34? He doesn't have any goof football left in him and while Pirlo is still an elite centre mid, his glory years haev passed him by. Essien is easily one of the best mids in the world and Ancelotti would be stupid as fuck to do that.

I guess you could argue that Ancelotti is more comfortable with those guys but still, watch ONE Chelsea game and you'll see how valuable Essien is.


Also reeally like the Berry signing for Man City, Jo was a big dissapointment in my mind through to tell the truth no one on that team blew me away. I think Robinho saved them from falling to 14-15th in the table

 

[Bigpapa42]

Or I could call it retarded and have my own opinions?

Congrats. Then why bitch about it? If you know better, why bother even acknowledging the hype, if you recognize it as nothing but that?

 

[calgaryballer]

That can't be serious?

Seedorf is what 34? He doesn't have any goof football left in him and while Pirlo is still an elite centre mid, his glory years haev passed him by. Essien is easily one of the best mids in the world and Ancelotti would be stupid as fuck to do that.

I guess you could argue that Ancelotti is more comfortable with those guys but still, watch ONE Chelsea game and you'll see how valuable Essien is.


Also reeally like the Berry signing for Man City, Jo was a big dissapointment in my mind through to tell the truth no one on that team blew me away. I think Robinho saved them from falling to 14-15th in the table

Well, Jo was also pretty darn good at Everton while on loan. So was that his fault or Hughes'?

 

[davie]

I thought Zidane won the player of the tournament?

I thought Cannavaro was deserving of the award, though. He played extremely well in the World Cup. I think its rare that a defender could get so much acclaim in a tournament, but Cannavaro was THAT good in the World Cup. He was like Deion Sanders intercepting passes.

I don't know why he struggled so much with Real Madrid. It appeared to me that he had an aggressive, gambling style. It worked for Italy in part because he had Buffon as his keeper. IMO, Casilles is probably as good as Buffon, so I don't know what is holding Cannavaro back.

Maldini was meant to win FIFA world player of the year in 1995 or 1996, but FIFA rigged the vote so George Weah would win. They wanted an African to be recognised. FIFA have admitted it to Maldini since and he said he thought George deserved it anyway and doesn't hold any grudges.

 

[T.Dot]

Ze Roberto is leaving Bayern for a possible move to Man City.
Bayern replaces him with Croatian mid Daniel Prandjic who they got for 10 million pounds from Dutch side Heerenven
Birmingham signs Ecuadorian striker Christian Benitez to a record contract for them, I think it's smart since he'll bolster their attack almost immediately

 

[ATL Jones Bro]

Ibrahimovic to Barcalona rumor. Hes a hell of a striker. Samuel Eto'o, Thierry Henry, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and Leo Messi? Thats an attack for ya.

http://goal.com/en-us/news/86/italy...-inter-president-moratti-in-barcelona-to-sell

 

[davie]

Ibrahimovic to Barcalona rumor. Hes a hell of a striker. Samuel Eto'o, Thierry Henry, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and Leo Messi? Thats an attack for ya.

http://goal.com/en-us/news/86/italy...-inter-president-moratti-in-barcelona-to-sell

Ibrahimovic is a bum, even his own fans were booing him during a home game against Lazio this season.

 

[1ke]

Ibrahimovic is a bum, even his own fans were booing him during a home game against Lazio this season.

Please stop. Just stop. They werent booing because they thought he was a bum, they booed because they didnt like his effort.

He also in that game score a free kick, one of the free kicks of the season, and then told them all to be quiet. Zlatan a bum huh? ok davie.....

 

[Bigpapa42]

Ibrahimovic is a bum, even his own fans were booing him during a home game against Lazio this season.

And the Milan fans booed Maldini at the end of the season. In his final game. After the career he had. The moral? Fans are stupid.

Ibrahimovic is inconsistent but quality.

 

[T.Dot]

Ibramhimovic is easily one of the top strikers in the world, he is inconsistent but still great.

Who the fuck cares what fans think, most of the time they're just jealous they dont have the players' talent

 

[Archer]

Ibramhimovic is easily one of the top strikers in the world, he is inconsistent but still great.

Who the fuck cares what fans think, most of the time they're just jealous they dont have the players' talent

Hes not easily one of the best at all . He isint even top 10 imo

He has the ability on any given day to be great but the best players can do it more games than not unlike him who is on and off non stop

Until he improves his conistency he cant claim to be in the elite brand of players

Dont get me wrong he can do some amazing things but its about more than that

 

[wr50l]

Larsson's legacy > Ibrahimovic

 

[Archer]

Larsson's legacy > Ibrahimovic

100% agree

But then again Larsson`s legacy > Most .

People underate just how good and consistent he was , mainly because he played in scottish football alot

But even in the Champions League Final , he came on and changed the game completly

 

[wr50l]

100% agree

But then again Larsson`s legacy > Most .

People underate just how good and consistent he was , mainly because he played in scottish football alot

But even in the Champions League Final , he came on and changed the game completly

If only he'd left Celtic sooner! If only.

 

[Archer]

Name 10 strikers better than Ibra please.

Name one time in the champions league or world cup where "ibra" has showed up and played well

I mean important Champs League games btw

Quarters - Semis - Finals

I may be mistaken but i cant find one

If you can name one or two il take back my statement

 

[Bigpapa42]

Name one time in the champions league or world cup where "ibra" has showed up and played well

I mean important Champs League games btw

Quarters - Semis - Finals

I may be mistaken but i cant find one

If you can name one or two il take back my statement

Well, it would be pretty tough for him to perform well in matches that his club doesn't make it to. He's never made it beyond the First Knockout Round with Inter. I guess you could blame him entirely for that, but given the quality in the Inter side the past few seasons, its a team failure.

He twice made it to the Quarter Finals with Juventus. They lost in 2005 to Liverpool (eventual winners) and in 2005 to Arsenal (finalists). If memory serves, Ibrahimovic had some notable chances in a couple of those matches. He didn't convert, but he was hardly invisible or a liability.

 

[Archer]

Well, it would be pretty tough for him to perform well in matches that his club doesn't make it to. He's never made it beyond the First Knockout Round with Inter. I guess you could blame him entirely for that, but given the quality in the Inter side the past few seasons, its a team failure.

He twice made it to the Quarter Finals with Juventus. They lost in 2005 to Liverpool (eventual winners) and in 2005 to Arsenal (finalists). If memory serves, Ibrahimovic had some notable chances in a couple of those matches. He didn't convert, but he was hardly invisible or a liability.

I remember them going out on away goals v a horrid Valencia side in the first knockout round and he was basicly a ghost in the game .

Im not retarded enough to blame one player for a whole team not getting far but a player with his supposed quality (which i said he had on any given day) should be to life his side to the quarters of a champions league competition . Espically a team that already has a solid base like Inter , not saying they are dominant or world beaters but its not like they have 0 talent


Maybe its because i dont see alot of italian football that hes so low on my list? Possibly , i did say my top 10 .

On any given day he can be amazing , but sometimes when i see him (rare occasions) he is just like a ghost out there , wondering around with no real want to get into the game . And we all know that one of the main things "Pep" prides his team on is work rate off the ball

 

[Archer]

Give me 10 strikers thats better than him in your opnion.

Drogba
Villa
Torres
Eto'o
Rooney
Aguero
Benzema?
Klose?
Toni?
Pato?

Messi if you consider him a striker (plays there for barca basicly but further outwide)

Toni is imo

Benzema isint

Forlan at domestic spanish level is a much better goalscorer but his time at Man Utd was horrible so that one is iffy

Id still take a fit Ruud Van Nistelrooy over him right now if we are talking about out and out goalscorers

You could argue that Henry is still in the top 10 . Has a great scoring record for Barca and doesnt even start every game because Pep likes to rotate alot

Anelka when hes not in a mood is also worth a shout at the top 10 or around there

Totti often plays as the lone striker for Roma aswell

Ibra might be 8-10 the more i think , if not 11 for sure

*ps i agree with all of the names i didnt mention*

 

[Archer]

Messi isn't a striker, he's an attacking midfielder.

Anelka is slow and useless most of the times. You can say he's like Adebayor in that he gets a lot of chances to score due to team.

Ruud - mmm no.

Henry doesn't even play striker anymore at Barca, he's on the left wing.

Forlan - no way. You're delusional if you think Forlan is better than Ibra.

Totti - maybe

Ibra is definitely one of the best strikers of the world. There's a reason Barca wants him and are willing to pay 30 mil plus Eto'o as well. You can even argue that Zlatan is in the top 5.

First tier
1. Torres
2. Drogba

Second tier
Villa, Eto'o, Ibra, Rooney, Toni, Totti.

Messi plays Right striker in a 4-3-3 . If he is one of the 3 strikers in a 4-3-3 how is that an attacker mid? I will agree he roams but if hes in the 3 strikers he is still a striker

And its not like english 4-3-3s where they track back .

Same with Henry but opposite

Forlan is an amazing scorer in spain but i did say he was iffy

Ruud is still one of the best scorers when it comes to just flat out scoring and finishing chances , he was hurt all this year

Anelka just got top scorer in england . When he in the right frame of mine hes great but sometimes hes not

I also did say Anelka could sniff the top 10 , i never said Anelka > Ibra now did i?