Tim Tebow sucking it up

[Senser81]

Had to go to watch the weight room

You need to setup a router in there and get wireless capability.

 

[Senser81]

Actually, my question was "How", but you careful dodged my question.

I don't know what you mean by "how". How what? How did Sanchez do so poorly? I would guess he did poorly by throwing a lot of incompletions and interceptions. But thats JMO.

Ok, irrelevant to the discussion. Nobody said college and pro football are the same. All I said was reading a coverage is the same.

I don't know what you mean by "the same". Yes, the quarterback uses his sense of sight to read the defense. Glad you clarified that. The quarterback doesn't change from his sense of sight to his sense of smell when he reads an NFL defense.

This is true to an extent. Except, of course, that Pro OL are also better than college lineman. I'll agree that the pass rush is tougher in the NFL.

And except, of course, that every year the NFL makes some new bogus rule because even "Pro OL"s can't consistently protect the QB at the NFL level. I am amazed that you are taking issue with this stuff, because almost all this stuff is common knowledge.

You just made that up. There are plenty of college teams that play man to man coverage. I won't dispute there is a wider talent range, but the idea that no college teams play man is ridiculous.

Again, have you never seen a college game? The pass coverage isn't anywhere near NFL-caliber. You are completely missing the point. The point is that the pass coverage in college isn't as 'tight' as the pass coverage in the NFL. WRs are clearly open in college...WRs are almost never clearly open in the NFL. As I said before, this is simple stuff. I don't understand how/why you can argue against it.

LOL at you thinking my point was "all colleges exclusively play zone defense".

I'll file this under "Things Senser made up".

Thats too bad, because that is the whole point. Reading defenses in college is different than reading defenses in the NFL. In college, you look for the open WR. In the NFL, you have to anticipate the WR coming open and recognize the coverages much faster. Again, I'm not Newton discovering gravity or anything like that...the concept I am speaking is pretty basic.

While it is absolutely true that there is tigheter coverage in the NFL (better athletes), you don't even have a basic understanding of how a passing attack operates. Nobody, Nobody, NOBODY just looks for an open recevier.

Thank you for clarifying this, Mr. Walsh. Are you now going to tell me that a QB needs to distinguish man v. zone?

All passing attacks (D1a-NFL) base on manipulating defenders by putting two receivers in the same spot, thus creating a conflict (they can only cover 1 of them). Reading a coverage is identifying the coverage shell, getting into the correct route combination, and reading the conflicted-defender. This happens faster in the NFL, and there are a wider variety of combinations to choose from, but the basic premise is the same.

Is that it? Please tell that isn't your 'magnum opus'. Of course the basic premise is the same! But I am not talking about the "basic premise", I am talking about how reading a defense at the NFL level is different than reading a defense at the college level.

Oh, and not all passing attacks base on manipulating defenders by putting two receivers in the same spot, but nice try.

Except, of course, that a ton of coaches have worked at both levels...and regularly bounce between them. I suppose your theory then is that when they are professional coaches they dissect and exploit every nuance of an offense...but when they are working in college they don't bother with that stuff.

I'm sure that's it.

Except, of course, some offenses that work in college don't/won't work in the NFL because the defenses are different. Once again, is that like an entirely new concept to you?

And its actually a very small list of head coaches who were both successful at the college and the NFL level. Paul Brown, Don Coryell, Jimmy Johnson...thats about it.

My theory has less to do with the coaches and more to do with the players. NFL defenders spend more time in practice and have played football much longer than NCAA defenders. You can be more specific with your defensive gameplans.

Oh, and the staple plays of the Air Raid are all over the NFL. Martz is running Air Raid stuff, and Wes Welker makes a living running the "Sticks" route. Mesh is a HUGE play in the NFL as well.

Thats like saying any team that uses a 4-WR set is running the Run-N-Shoot offense.

For a guy who is so into 'coachspeak', you don't really understand the Air Raid at all. The whole point of the offense was to simplify reads. A big reason why Tim Couch, Pillsbury Throw Boy, Andre Woodson, etc, never amounted to jack in the NFL is that they never learned how to read a defense.

The field being effectively smarter is a difference, and the smaller window is a big factor (thus, Timmy's release concerns...and all the obsession over arm strength). But, again, reading a route combination does not change.

Please explain to me how "reading a route combination" could ever possibly change in your universe, since your definition of "reading a route combination" is "use your eyes".

No, statistics have yet to prove how reading a defense is any different. Nobody is arguing the NFL plays better defense than the college game.

Why, O Lord, why???

Its official...you have no brain. My sympathies.

 

[Tailback U]

So apparently Tebow got an 890 on his SAT... now I know athletes are the brightest kids in most cases, but Tebow is hyped up for his academics. Thats a terrible score. An 890? (Its on the 2 part test... doesn't include writing to the best of my knowledge) It's an average of around the 30 percentile.

Not surprising, considering he sounds like a fucking retard every time he speaks. He doesn't know what a period is. Guy speaks in run-on sentences.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Not surprising, considering he sounds like a fucking retard every time he speaks. He doesn't know what a period is. Guy speaks in run-on sentences.

He talks like a guy trying desperately to hide his homosexuality.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Hyped up for academics...at University of Florida!

Not to single out Tebow because this type of bullshit is all-encompassing, but I get irritated when the media tries to portray these people as genuine student-athletes. Its great that someone like Tebow can do well in school...but he's not discovering String Theory. "Johnny Linebacker is a model student at Florida State University with a 3.2 GPA while majoring in YMCA Round-Robin Tournament Management".

It is quite possible Tebow took the SAT as a sophmore or junior and because his score was good enough to get him admitted, he never took it again.

For athletes, getting simply a "passing score" (2.5 Core GPA and 820 SAT or 17 on the ACT gets you in anywhere as an athlete - most also use the sliding scale) is all they need and many take the SAT very early in the process or not until the very end.

 

[kbpsu]

But Tebow just looks like he's having fun out there, and he is a high motor guy. So he's destined to do well in the NFL, right?

 

[Nukleopatra]

If he drops to the 2nd round, I wouldn't mind the Rams taking him.

If we end up with Snead, I'm fucking done with them.

 

[Colonel Angus]

I don't think he's worth anything higher than a mid-round pick. He's a project, and if he ends up getting forced to start games next year I don't see his career going much further than his rookie contract.

 

[Tailback U]

If he drops to the 2nd round, I wouldn't mind the Rams taking him.

If we end up with Snead, I'm fucking done with them.

Snead will be 10x the QB that Tebow will be. Mark my words.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Snead will be 10x the QB that Tebow will be. Mark my words.

And I'd still rather have Tebow.

Seriously, drafting Snead, or signing Vick will be the end for me.

 

[mgoblue2290]

I can't really see Tebow being a fullback or H-back or whatever. There's a difference between running the ball in college and trying to block a blitzing 250 lb linebacker. I know he's "tough" and all that, but still I don't think he's going to be successful anywhere in the NFL.

 

[Colonel Angus]

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Anyone can quote wikipedia. For example, I just looked you up:

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[Colonel Angus]

I'm glad women love you cause everyone else fucking hates you.

Sometimes Colonel Angus can rub someone the wrong way...

 

[Colonel Angus]

At least I don't get my football knowledge off wikipedia.

 

[Bomberooski]

Would you like me to travel to Joliet, IL this evening and dig up newspaper articles from Laser fiche so I can scan them onto the internet to show everyone. I'm sure you'd love that so I wouldn't have to use Wikipedia to explain someone's origin. Now shut up and we all know you aren't a real colonel because fags get kicked out of the army.

If you did that you would for sure move into my top 10 favorite VSN posters. Well you most likely would anyway.

 

[Colonel Angus]

Would you like me to travel to Joliet, IL this evening and dig up newspaper articles from Laser fiche so I can scan them onto the internet to show everyone? I'm sure you'd love that so I wouldn't have to use Wikipedia to explain someone's origin. Now shut up and we all know you aren't a real colonel because fags get kicked out of the army.

No really, could you?

 

[Colonel Angus]

You must have me mistaken for someone else. I'm Colonel Angus, not Christopher Walken.

 

[Senser81]

Was that Tebow's dad in the red tie? Wtf is up with this Bowie androgynous shit, are you turning into nuk?

The guy in the red tie is Boy Adrian.

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[Tailback U]

Tebow still sucking it up.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/26/tebow-continues-to-enthrall-the-masses/

Tebow continues to enthrall the masses

Posted: January 26th, 2010 | Jason Feller | Tags: 2010 Senior Bowl, Tim Tebow

According to scouts at the Senior Bowl, this has not been a great two days of practice for Tim Tebow. His delivery has been criticized and scouts question his mechanics and arm strength.

Despite expectations that he will not be a first round draft pick, Tim Tebow is the main attraction at the Senior Bowl. (Dave Martin / Associated Press)

Nonetheless, Tebow is, and will continue to be, the story of the Senior Bowl. And that’s not going to change throughout the draft process.

Typically, attention is reserved for the top prospects — the guys who are seen as having a legitimate chance to go at the top of the first round. Maybe some low first-rounders or high second-rounders will garner some interest, but for the most part, it is the top 15 or so prospects that generate the most fanfare.

Not this year. Most observers seem to think Tebow will fall out of the first round (NFL.com’s Bucky Brooks does not have him going in the first round in his mock draft), and others even wonder if he will get drafted in the second. That makes no difference. Tebow was a legend at the University of Florida, and is more well-known than many current NFL players.

He could drop all the way to the sixth round, and all the attention on draft day would be placed on where he lands. He’s that big a star. News that he got strep throat caused an immediate stir, and his every move at practice was watched with anticipation by fans and media.

Gators followers in attendance cheered every completion, and his decision to strap it up, practice this week and play Saturday night despite being ill was the story on this day.

After his practice session, he was mobbed by the media. Most prospects, even projected first-rounders like Taylor Mays and Patrick Robinson, had at most a handful of media members approach them to ask questions, but Tebow had more than a dozen.

He was the last one to leave the field due to the intense media attention, and when he finally did make his way out the side gate, he was then met by a slew of autograph-seekers chanting his name.

This draft season could be unlike any we have seen in recent years, with one man, who isn’t even a top prospect, overshadowing everything. Get ready for Tebow mania.

 

[Tailback U]

I know what you are trying to do Blitz, and I won't stand for it.

Tebow will be bashed in this thread - and there's nothing you or Klaus or anybody else can do to stop it.