Toby Gerhart to enter the Draft

[BUCK3YE5]

You don't give any reasons as of why you feel that way.

bullshit

 

[SuperKevin]

I liked Gerhart as a college back where he was able to run over college kids, most of which had no intention of ever going pro but it's going to be a completely different story in the NFL. Gerhart already had trouble breaking away in the open field, it's going to be impossible for him to do it in the NFL. You're looking at a guy who will be good for 2-4 yards on every carry and that's about it. Factor in his nonexistence in the passing game and he seems like a wasted pick

 

[NAHSTE]

No, I'm comparing him to Leonard because multiple reputable NFL draft scout sources compare him to Leonard.

But clearly they are out of their minds.

He's only going to be a short yardage guy but let's compare him to twice consecutive 1,000 runner that's twice his size. Great. Brandon Jacobs: 6'4 264 lbs. Gerhart: 6'1 235 lbs. That's an apt comparison. Now how about the guy he's definitely not like? Leonard: 6'1 226 lbs.

LOL, so because they fall into the trap you have to conform and think just like them? You couldn't find any other RBs in the league who are 235 lbs? Nope, guess not, we'll just have to settle for the next biggest white RB.

That method of comparing players is a joke, and you trying to justify it by claiming "draft scout sources" back you up is equally a joke. Leonard is nothing like Gerhart, Gerhart is nothing like Leonard.

NFL comparisons are usually way off base anyway, so it doesn't really matter, but, at least have a better justification than "Well, other people are saying it too!"

 

[Tailback U]

NAHSTE, you are wrong.

I watched a ton of Gerhart this year. I doubt you watched him much at all.

He is very much like Leonard. One cut, downhill runner. Toby doesn't have as good of feet, quickness, or speed. He has great strength and balance and is tough to bring down because he is a leg churner.

Leonard had a good 40 time (4.49) but he's not that fast on the field. I bet Toby will run a 4.5 - 4.6. Leonard was a bit more athletic overall but their running styles are definitely comparable.

 

[Tailback U]

But seriously, LOL at you Tailback for saying he reminds you of Brian Leonard. My Emmitt comment was a joke, but watching Toby play is nothing like Leonard at Rutgers, IMO. Leonard was jumping over people, catching out of the backfield, etc. Even in the NFL he's considered more of a gadget back over a power back. Don't let the white skin fool you.

Toby is a power back, Leonard was not. Just because you are white doesn't mean you're a fullback or a "bruiser".

So because Leonard jumped over a few people and caught some passes out of the backfield he is nothing like Gerhart when it comes to running the football?

L O L at you.

They are very comparable, and not just because they are white.

Starts with their size, speed, and build and ends with their similar one cut, downhill running style. Leonhard was a tough, physical back. He ran through people all the time, go youtube a highlight vid. He rarely made people miss.

Just because he jumped over defenders and caught passes out of the backfield doesn't mean they aren't comparable when it comes to running the ball in between the tackles.

 

[FedEx227]

Thank you. It's not a white-white thing... it's the fact they are very similar in body type, skill set, running style, etc.

 

[NAHSTE]

NAHSTE, you are wrong.

I watched a ton of Gerhart this year. I doubt you watched him much at all.

He is very much like Leonard. One cut, downhill runner. Doesn't have great feet, quickness, or speed. Good strength and balance and tough to bring down because he is a leg churner. Leonard had a good 40 time (4.49) but he's not that fast on the field. I bet Toby will run a 4.5 - 4.6.

Real strong argument there. "I did this, I bet you didn't"

But, as a former white FB, I love seeing my fellow people (no racist) get shine as a "Factor Back" (no Hoge). I watched a ton of Leonard's games in college, and in fact I did watch many of Gerhart's games last year.

While you list some similarities, that does not make them similar backs at all. Leonard was an athletic freak, and even in Cincinnati they use him for his receiving ability out of the backfield and his versatility. He's pretty much a 3rd down back/utility back in the NFL. Could you see Gerhart serving in a similar capacity?

Just because you throw out generic phrases to link them, like "downhill runners" (what good ballcarrier doesn't run down hill I ask?) does not make them similar. Also, what are you watching if you don't think either of these guys has good feet? Leonard was jumping over people, and Gerhart was making guys miss, hitting holes and breaking into the secondary quickly even vs OU's defense in the Sun Bowl.

You have to have quick feet to succeed as a D1 RB. Gerhart didn't just succeed, he excelled, and at some points even dominated. He may not have great top end speed, but he surely has quick feet. At least quick enough to succeed in college.

Whether or not he becomes a legit NFL RB, I don't know. But what I do know, is that no team will ask him to do the things Leonard does for Cincinnati, because that's just not who Toby is.

I'm surprised nobody has thrown out the Jacon Hester comparison yet. Figured that'd be a lock given the way this works.

 

[Tailback U]

Real strong argument there. "I did this, I bet you didn't"

But, as a former white FB, I love seeing my fellow people (no racist) get shine as a "Factor Back" (no Hoge). I watched a ton of Leonard's games in college, and in fact I did watch many of Gerhart's games last year.

While you list some similarities, that does not make them similar backs at all. Leonard was an athletic freak, and even in Cincinnati they use him for his receiving ability out of the backfield and his versatility. He's pretty much a 3rd down back/utility back in the NFL. Could you see Gerhart serving in a similar capacity?

The Bengals have better big, tough goalline backs in Cedric Benson and Larry Johnson. Leonard separates himself from those two because of his ability to catch passes. Gerhart is not much of a pass catcher, more of a goalline back. Similar to how Leonard was used when Benson went down and he was rotating with Bernard Scott.

And Gerhart is an athletic freak as well. Again, just because he doesn't jump over and doesn't have good hands doesn't mean he isn't an athletic freak. Guy was a two-sport star at Stanford.

Just because you throw out generic phrases to link them, like "downhill runners" (what good ballcarrier doesn't run down hill I ask?) does not make them similar. Also, what are you watching if you don't think either of these guys has good feet? Leonard was jumping over people, and Gerhart was making guys miss, hitting holes and breaking into the secondary quickly even vs OU's defense in the Sun Bowl.

One-cut downhill runner = straight ahead runner that hits the hole and hits it with everything he has. Not as patient, doesn't look to set up blocks as much because they don't have the acceleration to slow down and speed up. Good feet = juking, changing direction on a dime, stutter stepping, etc. Neither of these guys do this, they hit the hole and hit it hard and run as hard as they can.

You have to have quick feet to succeed as a D1 RB. Gerhart didn't just succeed, he excelled, and at some points even dominated. He may not have great top end speed, but he surely has quick feet. At least quick enough to succeed in college.

I'm comparing him to NFL backs. He has good feet as an athlete and compared to the average human being. Compared to starting NFL running backs - not so much. Like I said, he doesn't juke, stutter step, or plant and change direction, can't run routes, etc. These all have to do with feet.

Whether or not he becomes a legit NFL RB, I don't know. But what I do know, is that no team will ask him to do the things Leonard does for Cincinnati, because that's just not who Toby is.

Like I said, that's also because Cincy has Benson and LJ so Leonard's role is limited to what separates him from those 2.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Reggie Bush = Chris Johnson

 

[Tailback U]

Leonard is a different player.

Leonard receiving stats, his worst receiving season (2006): 294 yards.
Gerhart's receiving stats, his best receiving season (2009): 157 yards.

This neglects to mention the fact that Leonard had a pair of 500+ yard receiving seasons. Leonard has that facet of the game down more then Gerhart, and it was one of the things that made him a good college player. Gerhart isn't a good receiver out of the backfield.

And this is all neglecting the fact that Gerhart had 2 1,000 yard seasons to Leonard's 0. Gerhart also averaged a full yard more per carry then Leonard and that Gerhart had more rushing touchdowns in 2009 then Leonard had rushing his whole career.

And Tailback U, Gerhart is quite good at making cuts and changing directions. Look at his TD run in the Cal game (the first one)

Comparing these two is unfair. Gerhart>>>>>>Leonard. I don't see much similarity other then color of skin

I'm referring to Gerhart in the pros. He's not going to be making cuts, changing directions, juking, stutter stepping, etc. in the pros.

And like I said, I don't care about how many passes Leonard caught out of the backfield. I was comparing their running styles in between the tackles. And receiving stats have no bearing on their comparative running styles.

Are they identical? No. All I said was that Gerhart reminds me of Leonard because of their size/strength/speed skill set and style. I don't know why everyone soils their panties if you talk about how a white running back reminds you of another white running back.

What the fuck do you want me to say? Toby Gerhart reminds me of Chris Perry at Michigan?

 

[Tailback U]

I'm sorry, Timmy, but that video you posted of Gerhart doesn't show any change of direction at all. Not to mention, the hole is enormous. He just runs through it to daylight.

Brian Leonard was just as much of a beast as Gerhart at Rutgers. Don't know if you saw him, but he's actually more athletic than Gerhart. Quicker, more elusive, shiftier.

Gerhart is not elusive or shifty.

and LOL at Leonard not being able to do the same thing that Gerhart did on that 1st run in the vid you posted. Gerhart didn't do anything impressive in that run at all. The hole he ran through was enormous, he just hit it, slightly cutback and ran toward the open field. Good vision, but any D1 back can, and most likely has at some point, made that run.

 

[Tailback U]

Ok, seems like you really want to "win" this argument so I will give it to you.

Good day.

 

[Nukleopatra]

A 6 page thread about a white RB.

At least he'll have this to fall back on.

 

[Tailback U]

MY LIFE IS FINALLY COMPLETE!!

I really want to "win" this arguement? The post that prompted you to say this was a 3 sentence post.

Good day.

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