Tom Brady suspended 4 games over "DeflateGate"

[Soap Dope]

New England won 4 games by one possession scores this year. 12-4 record.

Pat fans and apologists love to point out he played 6 quarters with regular footballs. They don't consider the fact that this has probably been going on for a while, softer footballs give you an advantage as far as turnovers go, and those close wins are incredibly important as to playoff seeding. Do they win those close games if they're playing with a regular ball? Do they earn the #1 seed and get homefield advantage throughout the playoffs if they're playing with a regular ball?

I had the same conversation with some peers in person the other day as to whether or not we should look the other way because of rumors that "other teams do this all the time". There's probably a lot of guys juicing too that haven't been caught too, it's irrelevant. New England got caught, and got caught red handed. The text messages are damning, and even if one doesn't want to take those under consideration and they believe this Patriot propaganda that McNally was talking about his weight, the suspension and fines probably have more to do with the Patriots failure to cooperate with the investigation.

Why would Brady refuse to give up his phone? Especially considering Wells informed Brady and his Agent that he wouldn't even personally look at the phone. Brady didn't even have to fear any other illegal activity being found out, because Wells agreed to allow Brady's agent to share messages considered relevant to this particular investigation and even told them he'd take their word that they were being honest in what they shared.

I wonder if Kraft is still holding out hope to receive an apology. I also wonder if there is another Franchise that has the ironic stigma of having a cheating scandal attached to all of their superbowls?

45-7.

 

[Soap Dope]

I just would kindly like to point that first time PED users -- who I hope we can all agree is more serious than PSI -- don't even get suspended for a game. So yeah.

 

[MrBill]

 

[Big C-Dub]

Does anyone actually think 2 PSI is enough to change the outcome of a game? The refs are constantly handeling, throwing & catching the balls with each other and the players. If they couldn't tell the difference, how much of an advantage could it really be?

 

[Influence]

Does anyone actually think 2 PSI is enough to change the outcome of a game? The refs are constantly handeling, throwing & catching the balls with each other and the players. If they couldn't tell the difference, how much of an advantage could it really be?

The rules have been established. The rule in question.

The Ball must be a “Wilson,” hand selected, bearing the signature of the Commissioner of the League, Roger Goodell.

The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short circumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches;
weight, 14 to 15 ounces.

The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.

The evidence is clearly damning in the respect that Tom went out of his way to achieve the inflation of the ball to his liking.

"Cheat: to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something"

Did Tom Brady not do this? "The referee shall be the sole judge". The entire purpose of this was to bypass the referee ruling before the game. The balls were tampered with after an official examination was completed of the game balls.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I just would kindly like to point that first time PED users -- who I hope we can all agree is more serious than PSI -- don't even get suspended for a game. So yeah.

Why is one form of cheating any more serious than another?

It's all cheating.

Awesome logic.

Who is New England going to draft in the first next year?

 

[buckeye]

Why is one form of cheating any more serious than another?

It's all cheating.

Awesome logic.

Who is New England going to draft in the first next year?

Cheating is cheating and they should all be considered the same. That's my earlier point... the NFL is making this a harsher punishment on Brady than any other first time incident (on the field).

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[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Some of you must have grown up in some very strange homes.
Discipline ,repeat offenses , integrity. None of these things seem to have any meaning to you. If you're still stuck on PSI and past steroid users you simply don't comprehend what this story is actually about.

 

[number_55]

I do not believe that Brady and the Patriots organization are being punished solely because the balls were found to be under inflated.


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[number_55]

Eli Manning on deflated footballs.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...manning-to-experiment-with-deflated-footballs


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[the Brain]

Cheating is cheating and they should all be considered the same. That's my earlier point... the NFL is making this a harsher punishment on Brady than any other first time incident (on the field).

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Nowhere in the NFL's guidelines for this offense says 1st time offenders get treated w/kid gloves.

 

[the Brain]

Some of you must have grown up in some very strange homes.
Discipline ,repeat offenses , integrity. None of these things seem to have any meaning to you. If you're still stuck on PSI and past steroid users you simply don't comprehend what this story is actually about.

 

[buckeye]

Nowhere in the NFL's guidelines for this offense says 1st time offenders get treated w/kid gloves.

The offense is still a first offense for Brady. Therefore his punishment should be in line with other "first offense for performance enhancing."

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[the Brain]

The offense is still a first offense for Brady. Therefore his punishment should be in line with other "first offense for performance enhancing."

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No. It shouldn't. Illegal substances are covered by the collective bargaining agreement & have their penalties set in stone. What Brady & the Pats did is not.

 

[Soap Dope]

Cheating is cheating and they should all be considered the same. That's my earlier point... the NFL is making this a harsher punishment on Brady than any other first time incident (on the field).

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Do you think Barry bonds should be in the hof? just wanna see something.

Some of you must have grown up in some very strange homes.
Discipline ,repeat offenses , integrity. None of these things seem to have any meaning to you. If you're still stuck on PSI and past steroid users you simply don't comprehend what this story is actually about.

What is this story actually about? I'm incredibly intrigued.

Nowhere in the NFL's guidelines for this offense says 1st time offenders get treated w/kid gloves.

Except it does.

No. It shouldn't. Illegal substances are covered by the collective bargaining agreement & have their penalties set in stone. What Brady & the Pats did is not.

So what should the penalty be?

 

[the Brain]

Except it does.

Where?

So what should the penalty be?

As I said before, the punishment should make the reward not worth the risk. I would have suspended Brady for the year, especially after all the lying done beforehand. That would be w/the expectation that it would get cut in half on appeal. As it is now, Brady doesn't think it taints the trophy they won. In other words, he'd do it again. It was worth it. Four games is still not enough.

 

[albidnis]

I want it to get cut to 3 so that he plays the Cowboys..lol Not very objective on my part...

 

[the Brain]

Kraft will not appeal penalties

 

[Soap Dope]

Where?



As I said before, the punishment should make the reward not worth the risk. I would have suspended Brady for the year, especially after all the lying done beforehand. That would be w/the expectation that it would get cut in half on appeal. As it is now, Brady doesn't think it taints the trophy they won. In other words, he'd do it again. It was worth it. Four games is still not enough.

And you think the reward for that was winning the super bowl? lmfao. yea im done

 

[SethMode]

And you think the reward for that was winning the super bowl? lmfao. yea im done

Swing and a miss.