Top Goals for Adam Silver as New Commissioner

[spursup]

One player can just the outlook for an entire franchise. You only see that with QBs in the NFL and it's still somewhat rare. One player doesn't mean anything in baseball.

So the shortstop can just stop trying and the team can still win? No. Every player is important. Everybody tries. In basketball, not everyone tries, which is why tanking is a problem.

 

[spursup]

I get what you're saying, and I'd love the Raps to get Parker, but I subscribe to Herm Edwards' theory ... you play to fucking win. The second you say you don't, you are not Joe Montana worthy.

The second you don't, you are not worthy of playing. Get off the court if you won't try. I want good, competitive, hard fought basketball where both teams do whatever it takes to win the game.

 

[Primetime]

So the shortstop can just stop trying and the team can still win? No. Every player is important. Everybody tries. In basketball, not everyone tries, which is why tanking is a problem.

You're missing the premise. If a guy like Lebron comes in vs a replacement player, it makes 100x the difference as a premiere shortstop vs a replacement player. You need a couple stars in basketball and a few role players. That gives you nothing in baseball.

 

[JimLeavy59]

The second you don't, you are not worthy of playing. Get off the court if you won't try. I want good, competitive, hard fought basketball where both teams do whatever it takes to win the game.

Stick to baseball please. These last two post were god awful.

 

[Argath]

When you only have 5 players on the court at one time, one player can have a significant impact on the outcome of a game. You're never going to get rid of tanking unless you do as previously suggested and reward the teams who win the championship with the 1st pick. However if you do this, you'll have franchises stuck at the bottom for decades due to never getting those impact players. I don't think you'll ever be able to fairly solve tanking. I'd worry more about parity.

What I don't understand:

Why anyone would ever want the court size increased and the shot clock decreased. All this would do is spread the floor even more than it already is and lead to more forced shots and terrible looks. Help defense would become near impossible. Teams would run more isolation and play the one on one matchups instead of working the ball around and running plays. It would look like a game of pick up basketball and would be terrible.

In regards to the draft limit, it should be reset to 18. It's ridiculous that the NBA forces these kids to risk injury (and millions in potential $$$). The teams know the risks of drafting a player right out of high school. At 18 you can legally enter contracts in the US. There's no reason to A) Keep the draft age at 19 and B) to raise the draft age. Players with the potential of Kobe/Lebron/etc should not be forced to go to college. I'm willing to bet 90% of the kids they've forced into college (those who could have gone pro after HS) over the past 5-6 years haven't even graduated from college.

I'd like to see Silver take the league back to the "Let the boys play" style of basketball (though I know this will never happen). Bring tough, hard nose defense back and stop calling the ticky-tack fouls. If you're in the paint, you should expect to get rough housed. It's like calling unnecessary roughness on an offensive-lineman for pancaking a corner. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen (or in this case the paint). It's that simple.


The rest of the points you make I can get on board with.

 

[JimLeavy59]

I'd love to see the NBA allow hand checking.

 

[JimLeavy59]

I hear this all the time about how the Raptors should tank. I don't even live in Canada. Then I hear that the Knicks should tank, as if they could be any worse. Honestly, I don't want to see tanking in professional sports. When I watch my Nets play, the only reason I ever stop watching in the middle of the game is if I see them mailing it in or showing a lack of effort. I don't get what's wrong with the NBA? Other sports don't have major tanking problems. Everybody tries in baseball and football, but basketball shows the exact opposite. It's a major problem that's going to lose the league a lot of fans if it isn't solved soon.

What?

 

[Glenbino]

No tanking in baseball?

Someone hasn't been watching the Astros...

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[spursup]

No tanking in baseball?

Someone hasn't been watching the Astros...

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The Astros don't have talent to begin with. There's a difference between tanking and just being god-awful.

 

[Glenbino]

The Astros don't have talent to begin with. There's a difference between tanking and just being god-awful.

That is purposely playing with a subpar roster to acquire top picks to rebuild the farm system.

It's the definition of tanking.

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[spursup]

There is no such thing as playing with a purposely sub-par roster. When was the last time they made a trade that you think showed they were tanking?

 

[Glenbino]

There is no such thing as playing with a purposely sub-par roster. When was the last time they made a trade that you think showed they were tanking?

It's not about action so much as inaction..

When was the last time they made any kind of transaction that made you believe they were trying to make a push this year?

I'm not arguing with the strategy, just your blindness too it across ALL professional team sports.

There are smart guys in these front offices, and if this plan didn't work they wouldn't all be doing it.

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[spursup]

Trading away an old guy like Roy Oswalt doesn't count as tanking. They weren't going to win with him anyway.
Hunter Pence and Carlos Lee were getting older. The Astros were one of the worst teams in the league with them anyway. It was better to get at least something out of them by trading them than to get nothing out of them by keeping them and paying their large contracts.

This is a situation almost identical to the one with the Rays and Nationals around 2007. Can you legitimately say they were tanking or simply building on their lack of talent?

 

[Glenbino]

Trading away an old guy like Roy Oswalt doesn't count as tanking. They weren't going to win with him anyway.
Hunter Pence and Carlos Lee were getting older. The Astros were one of the worst teams in the league with them anyway. It was better to get at least something out of them by trading them than to get nothing out of them by keeping them and paying their large contracts.

This is a situation almost identical to the one with the Rays and Nationals around 2007. Can you legitimately say they were tanking or simply building on their lack of talent?

Tanking.

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[JeremyHight]

Parity/Tanking - Redo the lottery. First pick is randomly drawn from every team who missed the playoffs with the team with the best record (ie. 9th seed in East or West) gets the most balls and everyone else follows down to 5%. The 2nd pick on will always go to the worst seed, 3rd to second worst, and so on. This makes it so teams are fighting to win and not fighting to lose. Yes, there could be an 8th seed who tanks and goes to the draft instead of the playoffs, but that typically won't happen as teams like the playoff revenue boost from attendance over getting only a shot at the #1 pick and getting the 14th pick if they don't get it.

Revenue Sharing - A must, along with a hard salary cap and a hard salary floor. Making a salary cap would be tough, but giving a salary floor and better revenue sharing would mean overall, more money for players and more parity.

Reviews - Make it centralized in the league office like the NHL. They have by far the best system, imo.

 

[spursup]

Tanking.

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Any realistic person calls it building. You can't really trade all of your veterans in the NBA and say, "We're building for the future!" because everybody's on your roster already. In baseball, putting talent in the minors to develop is okay, because it can destroy one's career to be in the majors and get crushed by everybody, so therefore it is okay to say "We're building for the future because we are already out of the race this year" in baseball because there actually is such thing as building talent aside from the major league team.

Don't give me crap about the D-League. Nobody is going to ever come out of there that is anything more than a bench warmer.

 

[Glenbino]

Any realistic person calls it building. You can't really trade all of your veterans in the NBA and say, "We're building for the future!" because everybody's on your roster already. In baseball, putting talent in the minors to develop is okay, because it can destroy one's career to be in the majors and get crushed by everybody, so therefore it is okay to say "We're building for the future because we are already out of the race this year" in baseball because there actually is such thing as building talent aside from the major league team.

Don't give me crap about the D-League. Nobody is going to ever come out of there that is anything more than a bench warmer.

No.. You trade them for draft picks and cap space to add talent from the NBAs minor league, the NCAA.

It's the exact same premise being applied within the confines of each particular league's respective CBA.

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[spursup]

No.. You trade them for draft picks and cap space to add talent from the NBAs minor league, the NCAA.

It's the exact same premise being applied within the confines of each particular league's respective CBA.

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Trading for a minor leaguer, except PTBNL, is something where you are being given the rights to a PLAYER. Trading for draft picks in the NBA is spotty. You could trade a veteran for the first rounder of an 8-seed thinking you'll get a lottery pick and you could end up with pick 30. You could end up getting nothing for the deal because you are being given the rights to a PICK, not a PLAYER.

 

[spursup]

No.. You trade them for draft picks and cap space to add talent from the NBAs minor league, the NCAA.

It's the exact same premise being applied within the confines of each particular league's respective CBA.

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Trading for a minor leaguer, except PTBNL, is something where you are being given the rights to a PLAYER. Trading for draft picks in the NBA is spotty. You could trade a veteran for the first rounder of an 8-seed thinking you'll get a lottery pick and you could end up with pick 30. You could end up getting nothing for the deal because you are being given the rights to a PICK, not a PLAYER.

 

[spursup]

Oops, double posted there. Sorry.