UFC 100

[CrimsonGhost56]

that must of sucked getting hit repeatedly with those ginormous fists. that was just an ugly beatdown, no offense at all from mir except for a nice knee

 

[Anthony]

How much was Mir outweighed for this fight?

20lbs

 

[Anthony]

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm not a huge follower of MMA. I just recently got into it so can someone give me an idea of how much of a difference that 20 pounds makes. Like is it astronomical or is it not that big of a deal. Obviously it matters and that's why they have weight classes but you get the idea.

He had a bigger weight advantage in the first fight, and he lost.

GSP was outweighed by the same margain tonight, and won easily.

It's obviously a factor, but it's a factor that's overcome routinely all the time. The nature of weight cutting will always lead to size advantages.

 

[dave]

OK. I watched the Mir-Lesnar fight. Yes, the pre-fight hype was interesting. Yes, the combatants were interesting. But the actual match itself was more boring than a 0-0 soccer match.

UFC needs Lesnar to play the heel like that, because without it, that fight was booooooring.

I'll agree the fact that no one knew how it would end was interesting, but that and the hype overcame a boring-ass match.

If this was considered a great UFC match - and I admit I don't know what a great UFC match is - it doesn't even touch a classic boxing match or great pro wrestling match (even though I know it's staged).

 

[Bigpapa42]

Damned good night of fights. Not the best show ever, but did anyone really believe that it would be?

-thought that Akiyama took it, but it was close enough that I could see how someone could see it the other way.

-I have to admit that while I would normally be rather unhappy at a fighter who did what Henderson did at the end of the fight - and admitted that he did it intentionally. But given the context of the fight, I kinda enjoyed it. Bisping admitted to intentionally trying to get under Hendo's skin... I guess you reap what you sow...

-GSP... what can you say? The guy is a dominant monster. I really never expected him to able to take Alves down with such endless ease.

-that fight by Lesnar was probably the first time he genuinely impressed me in a UFC cage for the more than a moment. He fought very smart and contained, and he dominated. Plus, the man plays the heel perfectly.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

OK. I watched the Mir-Lesnar fight. Yes, the pre-fight hype was interesting. Yes, the combatants were interesting. But the actual match itself was more boring than a 0-0 soccer match.

UFC needs Lesnar to play the heel like that, because without it, that fight was booooooring.

I'll agree the fact that no one knew how it would end was interesting, but that and the hype overcame a boring-ass match.

If this was considered a great UFC match - and I admit I don't know what a great UFC match is - it doesn't even touch a classic boxing match or great pro wrestling match (even though I know it's staged).

It wasnt a great match, but it was a great spectacle.

Besides, why are you comparing it to a classic boxing match or great pro wrestling match? It was a MMA fight. This would be like saying it couldnt compare to a great NFL game. Who cares.

It wasnt a terrible match, either. It told a story. Lesnar was patient, as opposed to his usual "bull in a China shop" routine. He was clearly being cautious on the ground, respecting Mir's sub skills. Mir went for a knee bar, and an arm bar, but didnt even come close. Brock got comfortable, and pounded Mir's face in-both rounds. He had a plan, and he executed.

We've been down this road, dave. You don't like the sport. Part of it is you aren't educated to it, but that dosen't really matter if you don't like it.

FWIW, when I watch boxing, I keep waiting for someone to shoot or throw a low kick. To me, it's an incomplete fight, and i'm usually bored to tears. But hey, whatever gets you off.

 

[Champ]

I dont care if anyone thought the Lesner/Mir was boring. Lesner fought smart as hell.

I LOVED and I will repeat I LOVED BISPING getting the SHIT KNOCKED OUT OF HIM.

 

[dave]

We've been down this road, dave. You don't like the sport. Part of it is you aren't educated to it, but that dosen't really matter if you don't like it.

FWIW, when I watch boxing, I keep waiting for someone to shoot or throw a low kick. To me, it's an incomplete fight, and i'm usually bored to tears. But hey, whatever gets you off.

All that doesn't matter.

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

I absolutely admit I'm not an educated fan of UFC style fighting, but I want to be entertained. All I saw for 8 minutes (ok 6 of 8 minutes) was Lesnar lying on top of Mir because he could.

The punch flurry at the end which stopped the fight was somewhat interesting, but otherwise this fight was one guy who lied on top of another for 6 minutes of a fight.

Yes, there could have been some strategy involved, but it was boring.

I don't dispute MMA as a serious sport for a second, but an entertaining sport? The pre and post-fight hype were more entertaining than the actual fight.

 

[RosettaStoned]

All that doesn't matter.

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

I absolutely admit I'm not an educated fan of UFC style fighting, but I want to be entertained. All I saw for 8 minutes (ok 6 of 8 minutes) was Lesnar lying on top of Mir because he could.

The punch flurry at the end which stopped the fight was somewhat interesting, but otherwise this fight was one guy who lied on top of another for 6 minutes of a fight.

Yes, there could have been some strategy involved, but it was boring.

I don't dispute MMA as a serious sport for a second, but an entertaining sport? The pre and post-fight hype were more entertaining than the actual fight.

It's hard to be entertained when you don't know what the fuck is going on tool bag.

 

[Champ]

Can we please have Fedor do what he does best to shitty UFC heavyweights like Silvia and Lesnar? I want to see him fuck Lesnar up.

Not going to happen any time soon. Fedor/UFC does not mix.

 

[dave]

It's hard to be entertained when you don't know what the fuck is going on tool bag.

Two guys fighting. Seen it enough.

And get over your Napoleonic complex. It's getting tired.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

...and you went out of your way to see the fight. So they did.

I absolutely admit I'm not an educated fan of UFC style fighting, but I want to be entertained. All I saw for 8 minutes (ok 6 of 8 minutes) was Lesnar lying on top of Mir because he could.

The punch flurry at the end which stopped the fight was somewhat interesting, but otherwise this fight was one guy who lied on top of another for 6 minutes of a fight.

Yes, there could have been some strategy involved, but it was boring.

I don't dispute MMA as a serious sport for a second, but an entertaining sport? The pre and post-fight hype were more entertaining than the actual fight.

Go watch Griffin/Bonner from '05.

Clay Guida vs. Diego Sanchez on free TV last week was a great, exciting fight. I can name hundredss of exciting fights, but it dosen't matter, because you won't seek them out.

Nobody is claiming Lesnar/Mir was a great fight. In fact, nbobody even thought it would be to begin with. It was a great spectacle, and nobody feels ripped off. Especially since you had a pretty damn good undercard (something boxing NEVER gives you) to go with it.

It was a fun fight, because of the personalities involved ands the story it told. Randy Couture won one of the most boring fights ever vs. Tim Sylvia, but it's remembered as a classic due to Sylvia being so hated, and Couture overcoming the odds winning the title in his mid 40's. It's all about the story. You follow wrestling, so you know this.

 

[Champ]

All that doesn't matter.

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

I absolutely admit I'm not an educated fan of UFC style fighting, but I want to be entertained. All I saw for 8 minutes (ok 6 of 8 minutes) was Lesnar lying on top of Mir because he could.

The punch flurry at the end which stopped the fight was somewhat interesting, but otherwise this fight was one guy who lied on top of another for 6 minutes of a fight.

Yes, there could have been some strategy involved, but it was boring.

I don't dispute MMA as a serious sport for a second, but an entertaining sport? The pre and post-fight hype were more entertaining than the actual fight.

Where you watching the same fight as me? The entire time he was on him he was gurgling at his throat with his hand and choking him with his forearm. He was tiring him out.

 

[Champ]

Boxing a dead sport.

 

[dave]

...and you went out of your way to see the fight. So they did.



Go watch Griffin/Bonner from '05.

Clay Guida vs. Diego Sanchez on free TV last week was a great, exciting fight. I can name hundredss of exciting fights, but it dosen't matter, because you won't seek them out.

Nobody is claiming Lesnar/Mir was a great fight. In fact, nbobody even thought it would be to begin with. It was a great spectacle, and nobody feels ripped off. Especially since you had a pretty damn good undercard (something boxing NEVER gives you) to go with it.

It was a fun fight, because of the personalities involved ands the story it told. Randy Couture won one of the most boring fights ever vs. Tim Sylvia, but it's remembered as a classic due to Sylvia being so hated, and Couture overcoming the odds winning the title in his mid 40's. It's all about the story. You follow wrestling, so you know this.

I don't dispute for a second it was a spectacle. I watched it free the second I could.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

And to be honest, they aren't.

This isn't another "dave" joke, but you arent the target demo. They are chasing (and winning) the 18-35 males...the older gen grew up with boxing, dosen't "get" MMA, and will die as boxing guys.

Boxing draws the oldest demo of any televised sport. They do nothing to create new stars or attract young fans. That's why boxing is dying, it has nothing to do with MMA. Both can easily co-exist.

But I digress. You aren't the demo. UFC might have done 1.5 million buys tonight without you. Think about that.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Two guys fighting. Seen it enough.

Yet, you know nothing about it.

And get over your Napoleonic complex. It's getting tired.

Get over being the dumbest fucker on VSN and I'll think about it.

 

[dave]

And to be honest, they aren't.

This isn't another "dave" joke, but you arent the target demo. They are chasing (and winning) the 18-35 males...the older gen grew up with boxing, dosen't "get" MMA, and will die as boxing guys.

Boxing draws the oldest demo of any televised sport. They do nothing to create new stars or attract young fans. That's why boxing is dying, it has nothing to do with MMA. Both can easily co-exist.

But I digress. You aren't the demo. UFC might have done 1.5 million buys tonight without you. Think about that.

I'm more pro wrestling than boxing. I know I'll be entertained for 3 hours with wrestling.

That said, I rarely if ever buy a wrestling PPV. Pro wrestling has gotten way too predictable.

That Japan wrestling you watch would make me buy a PPV every month, Warner. That stuff is mind-blowing.

 

[dave]

Yet, you know nothing about it.



Get over being the dumbest fucker on VSN and I'll think about it.

Yes, I'm the dumbest fucker on VSN. I apologize for my shortcomings.

You are just VSN's baddest schtick boy. You can't present an argument without being an asshole. And what's so sad is no one at VSN takes you seriously anymore, other than you,