Vince Carter to Orlando - UPDATE (DONE)

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Oh I see what you meant. Lopez, Lee, Harris is a nice group.. with Lebron lol.

That is what the objective is...its been that way for a few years now...it is how you have to judge these moves, otherwise they make no sense at all. The way things are shaping up, its going to be Cleveland, the Knicks, or the Nets that get LeBron. Put it this way, if you have a 1/3 shot to land one of the best players in basketball, you wouldn't take it, especially when your run is done? I have no qualms with taking this shot...even if its a small one.

The Nets have since gone all in and basically traded away their core (J-Kidd, RJ, VC) for nothing but expiring deals and a few young players with light hit contracts. Devin Harris, Yi (I think he sucks, but regardless, the effort was there), Lee in this case and has drafted pretty well Lopez, Anderson, Williams, and CDR.

The Nets will have, IIRC, about 20M in total cap by 2010 which leaves them some ridiculous amount of cash.

 

[Sean]

i agree, downgrade for Nets, Lee had a good solid year last season, but with Pietrus (sp?) out for some time, he got to blossom. Alston is ok, terrible for Magic to give up on him already, incase Nelson goes down again

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Wow, if this is actually goes down. Does this mean they're going to let Hedo walk?

No question. If they land Vince Hedo is as good as gone.

 

[ralaw]

And the more and more I think about this deal, the more and more I see the Magic saying "bye turk, it was nice having you." :|

Yeah, with VC there just doesn't seem to be enough room for Turk, although they'll miss his ballhandling and ability tremendously. I guess VC can take over some of that, but he isn't the playmaker Turk is. I wonder if Turk tipped them off or anything that he was looking elsewhere? I say that because this move sort of came out of no where.

 

[mfbmike]

One of those point guards had to go. The Magic certainly weren't going to keep Alston considering how Nelson has improved over the past couple of years.

Anthony Johnson was pissed as shit for being benched during the finals after what was one of his most productive seasons in the NBA. He got shafted hard by Van Gundy who decided to bring Nelson back.

 

[Deviant]

The Nets have no interest in winning anymore. That's the biggest "Fuck You!" the Nets organization has given it's fans in a long time. The Nets have just given up on their season. It's official. That organization have no fucking clue what it wants to do anymore.

 

[mfbmike]

Yeah, with VC there just doesn't seem to be enough room for Turk, although they'll miss his ballhandling and ability tremendously. I guess VC can take over some of that, but he isn't the playmaker Turk is. I wonder if Turk tipped them off or anything that he was looking elsewhere? I say that because this move sort of came out of no where.

Turk has never been hush-hush about the fact that he wants to get paid. IMO, the Magic kinda shot themselves in the foot by paying out the ass for Shard. If you were putting up similar numbers, you'd expect to make the same as the next guy. (in before mbuser with stats for shard and turk)

If you worked in a corporate office and were performing as well as the dude making a couple more bucks an hour than you were, you'd expect to get a raise as well if you knew the kind of money he was making.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

Fuck the Nets organization if they do this. Fuck them.

This trade does not help us because we are not getting LeBron. No, it's not happening. Stop dreaming about it. The best thing we get out of this trade is Rafer Alston and he's not even remotely near the worth of Vince Carter. PLUS, he'll be on the bench. Terrible move. Lee is a decent defender, but he's a role player. The Nets don't need more role players. What the fuck are we going to do with role players if we don't have the star players around them? Stop thinking about 2010 and THINK NOW. Get a athletic, high-energy PF or SF (similar to Kenyon Martin... ya' know... the guy that made us Finals contenders?) and upgrade instead of downgrade.

This move better not happen.

why dont think lebron will end up with the Nets? They are moving to NY next year, will have a shitload of cash and Jay-Z is his boy. do you really think the Nets have any sort of shot this year to do anything with the Cavs and Magic staring down at them? i sure dont

 

[ralaw]

i agree, downgrade for Nets, Lee had a good solid year last season, but with Pietrus (sp?) out for some time, he got to blossom. Alston is ok, terrible for Magic to give up on him already, incase Nelson goes down again

Although I think Nelson's contribution and "leadership" are way overblown I do believe he's a better option for this team, as he generally is more in control of himself and his game and consistent. Letting Alston go will hurt, but not to the point where it has any real significance.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The Nets have no interest in winning anymore. That's the biggest "Fuck You!" the Nets organization has given it's fans in a long time. The Nets have just given up on their season. It's official. That organization have no fucking clue what it wants to do anymore.

I read these same exact posts when J-Kidd was traded and when Jefferson was traded.

It has a clue what its doing...heck, it even has a goal...to get LeBron. You may not think they'll get him...but at least they are showing they want to get him and have all the power to get him...they just need that Jay Z connection and the move to Brooklyn to come together as enough of a selling point.

 

[mfbmike]

He's right. To be perfectly honest, with the East shaping up the way it is, if I wasn't a GM of one of these championship contenders, I'd try to get by with the bare minimum, hope for a postseason appearance and move on. This year is going to be a fucking throwdown from the 2nd round on with some of these teams stacking up the way they are. Teams like the Heat, Bulls, etc. shouldn't do anything drastic this year. Build for the long term until the big dogs go away.

 

[Deviant]

why dont think lebron will end up with the Nets? They are moving to NY next year, will have a shitload of cash and Jay-Z is his boy. do you really think the Nets have any sort of shot this year to do anything with the Cavs and Magic staring down at them? i sure dont

The Nets are not going to be in Brooklyn next year. They plan to be in Brooklyn come 2011-2012.

As of March 2009, the Nets are committed to moving to the Barclays Center in Brooklyn for the 2011–12 NBA season, overcoming economic concerns and legal opposition, Brett Yormark, the team's chief executive, told Bloomberg Television.

Jay-Z is not bringing him to the Nets because they're "boys". Spike Lee and Kobe are boys now too, does that mean Kobe is going to the Knicks now? No. LeBron isn't coming to the Nets because he wants to play for championships, not for his "boy". You know who his "boy" is right now? Shaquille O'Neal. That's his "boy". LeBron is not leaving an organization that actually wants to win championships to go to a team that just wants him there so Jay-Z can get a hard on.

And who says the Nets don't have a shot? One move in the right direction can make them a contender. One player having a breakout season can make them great. One injury on another squad can suddenly give them a chance. You never give up on an NBA season when you're 0-0. That's just dumb.

I wish Drazen Petrovic were still alive.

 

[Onez]

Please let this trade go down. As a Vince Carter fan I'd love to see him actually having a chance to win a championship.

 

[Deviant]

I read these same exact posts when J-Kidd was traded and when Jefferson was traded.

It has a clue what its doing...heck, it even has a goal...to get LeBron. You may not think they'll get him...but at least they are showing they want to get him and have all the power to get him...they just need that Jay Z connection and the move to Brooklyn to come together as enough of a selling point.

I wanted J-Kidd traded after K-Mart left because it became obvious that he wasn't making the same magic without him and his shooting became a glaring weakness. I really wanted Devin Harris on the team as well. Plus, the difference with that trade is that it happened when our season was pretty much over, not when we're 0-0.

 

[Yawkey Way]

to think, i once did chises with both of these teams.

 

[ralaw]

IMO the Nets have slim chances of getting LeBron James, because the Cavs are knocking on the door of a championship and the fact that LeBron is there really works in their favor. The Nets on the other hand will have a group of young guys that LeBron will have to mesh with, which takes time. In Cleveland there isn't any pressure, but if he goes to NY (whether its the Nets or not) the pressure is going to be there, because that would be why he made the move. Do you turn down a situation where you're knocking on the door or do you go to one where you're really not sure what could happen? If I were the Nets I'd keep doing what I've doing, but lower my sights to a guy like Bosh. I would say Wade, but he has it too good in Miami and they too have a good young core around him already.

 

[ralaw]

Deal done. Ryan Anderson included by the Nets. Nice pickup there for Orlando.

The New Jersey Nets have agreed in principal to send Vince Carter(notes) and Ryan Anderson to the Orlando Magic for Rafer Alston(notes), Tony Battie(notes) and Courtney Lee(notes), two league executives told Yahoo! Sports.

The Nets will draft Louisville shooting guard Terrence Willams at No. 11, if he’s still available.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...slug=aw-cartertrade062509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Orlando made out like bandits with that....got Anderson too?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I wanted J-Kidd traded after K-Mart left because it became obvious that he wasn't making the same magic without him and his shooting became a glaring weakness. I really wanted Devin Harris on the team as well. Plus, the difference with that trade is that it happened when our season was pretty much over, not when we're 0-0.

Dude, the Nets weren't going anywhere anymore with Kidd, Jefferson, or Carter. It is time to break'em all up, get what you can for them and start again.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I did like Anderson.

 

[mfbmike]

LOL, the Magic got Ryan Anderson too?

HAHAHAHAH

If I was the Magic, I'd have tried to have gotten Sean Williams. :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: