VSN/VOW Wrestling Podcast recording tmw night (10/16) - UPLOADED

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Totally agree with W2B on his thoughts with Ryback...I like the guy...but regardless...if they are going to pipe in noise...give it to a guy that the crowd eats up naturally. They eat up Danielson like a million bucks. They sell GOAT FACES now lol. the crowd goes BONKERS to get him going crazy with the YES chants. Genius stuff for Danielson to get himself over. Yet, he's tag teaming with Kane...and they are maybe the hottest thing in the company.

Also agree with the result of Punk-Ryback and how it should go down.

 

[FedEx227]

That's never, ever, ever how the WWE does it though. They don't care who you react to, they go with who they want to push.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Quick preface...I don't want to OVERhype the match...but, just to get my point across. That match is like "Citizen Kane" in match form...its just a match you show to wrestling students in the same way you show Citizen Kane to film students. It isn't the GOAT match, but its flawless. But, personally, me, you don't need to have the winner be up in the air to have me at the edge of my seat or appreciate what is going on. Great in-ring product. Wrestling 101.

Where does it rank this year? Guess you'll have to find out!

This is kinda what I talked about on the show, but I hate being in a position to say anything bad about the match, because I loved it. So stop making me do that.

It was great, it exceeded my expectations, and it's a MOTY contender for sure.

The Tanahashi bar is now set even higher after that. This guy is entering rare air as a performer. After this year.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

That's never, ever, ever how the WWE does it though. They don't care who you react to, they go with who they want to push.

That isn't totally true. There are guys that organically get the cheers and they just HAVE to push them. Austin was one (H's and the Rock were the guys they were going to push). Rob Van Dam is another. Rey Mysterio is another.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Just rewatched...Tanahashi did NOT go for the pin after the first HFF...got right back up and went to the top.

After hearing the thoughts on the ROH...I prefer the Steen-Generico matchup at Final Battle. They make magic every time. It is a good "safe place" for Delirious to go to.

It sets up a nice spot to give Lethal the "co-main event" spot...get him over like a million bucks at the big PPV...perhaps Lethal v. Elgin or Lethal v. Davey while you have Elgin v. HoT. Set up a nice top three matches on the card.

I completely agree, Generico is the way to go, that's the full circle continuation of the Steen story.

Generico is the American freelancer. He refuses to sign contracts, and does awesome shit everywhere.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

"The Generic Freelancer" El Generico?

 

[FedEx227]

That isn't totally true. There are guys that organically get the cheers and they just HAVE to push them. Austin was one (H's and the Rock were the guys they were going to push). Rob Van Dam is another. Rey Mysterio is another.

Rey Mysterio was basically 2 years of guys begging Vince to push him followed by one of the worst title run of all-time. RVD was a knee-jerk reaction to an increased fondness for ECW off the heels of a DVD.

Don't think those examples are relevant at all.

Austin and Punk are about the only examples I can think of and those are exceptions to the rule.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That isn't totally true. There are guys that organically get the cheers and they just HAVE to push them. Austin was one (H's and the Rock were the guys they were going to push). Rob Van Dam is another. Rey Mysterio is another.

Punk is another example.

It's funny, they desperately need the next Stone Cold, and the last true star to emerge was an organic one (Punk), yet they still fight this concept at every turn.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Rey Mysterio was basically 2 years of guys begging Vince to push him followed by one of the worst title run of all-time. RVD was a knee-jerk reaction to an increased fondness for ECW off the heels of a DVD.

Don't think those examples are relevant at all.

Austin & Punk.

 

[FedEx227]

Cool so two guys in the last 20 years. Exceptions to the rule.

Let's add Bret Hart! 3 guys in the last 30 years!

So, yes, they rarely if ever do it, it's not never but it's about as fucking close as possible.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Rey Mysterio was basically 2 years of guys begging Vince to push him followed by one of the worst title run of all-time. RVD was a knee-jerk reaction to an increased fondness for ECW off the heels of a DVD.

Don't think those examples are relevant at all.

Austin and Punk are about the only examples I can think of and those are exceptions to the rule.

Just because Mysterio and RVD are lesser examples, doesn't mean they aren't examples. In any other world...Rey Mysterio and RVD get NO LOVE from Vince and the WWE. But, the fans loved them. So, in the WWE, they were regulars at the top of the card for a lot of their WWE career. They were both given the ball at some point simply due to their organic fanbase. They weren't given the push of a Punk or Austin, but the point is still the same.

Jeff Hardy is another lesser example.

Danielson will eventually break the glass ceiling at some point.

 

[FedEx227]

Those are 2 (maybe 3 guys) out of 20 years. Thus, despite being examples, they aren't really telling of the overall thought process of the company. They are outliers.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Those are 2 (maybe 3 guys) out of 20 years. Thus, despite being examples, they aren't really telling of the overall thought process of the company. They are outliers.

Of course not...BUT, you said "That's never, ever, ever how the WWE does it though. They don't care who you react to, they go with who they want to push."...which, isn't always true. There are organic wrestlers getting pushed...some to the moon, some break through the ceiling, but not to the moon, some guys just exceed expectations. Definitely more since the WCW-WWF merger than prior, but they do push guys who get themselves over and they do give them the ball.

 

[FedEx227]

Lol okay, fine, if we're going to get into semantics. It's something they have done before (not NEVER) but they've done it with any seriousness 3 times in 30 years.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Gotta love W2B echo'ing my Hulk Hogan quotes...

His life is a work. Totally.

I still think he and Linda were in cahoots to split the assets so that Graziano family didn't get all of their money.

This Clem-Hogan case is such a work, its ridiculous.

 

[FedEx227]

Have you gotten to the part where we list about 15 Hogan lies in 20 seconds?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I am there now. Great stuff.

Hogan definitely believes all of his lies. There is no way a guy can lie that much and not believe it. Because he keeps the same lies up for YEARS.

He has been telling the Andre story for 20 years. The Foreman story for another 20 lol