VSN's Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks.

[inthecards21]

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Big Ben
4. Warner
5. Brees
6. McNabb
7. Rivers
8. Cutler
9. Schaub
10. Romo

 

[chubbz]

mcnabb should be top 5 on all ur little lists!

 

[FirstTimer]

I can't believe these guys are still falling for this shit...........

 

[bucky]

I can't believe these guys are still falling for this shit...........

ssshhhhhhh! Type a little quieter. Maybe they won't hear you.

 

[The Messenger]

I can't believe these guys are still falling for this shit...........

I'm not falling for anything. As I said before, I just like to argue over sports. I knew from the get go that Nuk is a Warner homer, but I didn't care about getting into the debate because it's talking about football and I'll talk about football any day.

 

[Archer]

1. Brady is the only one on your list who you can claim did something with not so much talent, but that was only, ONLY at the WR position. Outstanding playoff defense and they had a good running game and Kevin Faulk who always came up big when it mattered.

2. The fact that you have Warner above Peyton shows your fanboyism, but I'll go along with it right here. When Warner won his Superbowl he had Tory Holt, Marshall Faulk, Issac Bruce, an outstanding return game, and a hall of fame coach. When Warner broke his finger he lost his starting job and became a journeyman and a groomer. What did he do in Arizona before this year? He failed in your eyes because he didn't get them to the playoffs. In Arizona, Warner has Fitzgerald, Boldin, and in the playoffs his running game and defense actually showed up.

3. Peyton Manning has Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, Edge, and Joseph Addai. But you know what? Manning was a complete failure his whole playoff career until he won the Super Bowl. You know the reason they won the Super Bowl? Bob Sanders and that defense that showed up in the playoffs, not to mention Dominic Rhodes. Peyton contributed far less than the defense and Rhones.

4. Ben Roethlisberger at number 4 screams idiocy. The guy is not an elite quarterback and you have him listed at number 4. He's the only person who you can call a true winner because he has 2 super bowl titles in 5 years. Therefore, in your eyes, he is twice as good as Warner... if not BETTER. These are your words. Let's not forget his outstanding defense and the running game in Pittsburgh. I'll give this to Ben, he shows up when he needs to in the playoffs, but he gets carried to the playoffs every season by his team. He's a more talented Rex Grossman.

5. Philip Rivers has won... NOTHING! He's only had one good season and suddenly he's better than Eli Manning who has won a Super Bowl, and Donovan McNabb who you yourself said in this thread you consider a "winner" even though he hasn't won shit. Not saying I disagree that Rivers is better than Eli and McNabb (as you can see from my list), but I'm going by your standards. Do you see how badly you are contradicting yourself? It's pathetic.

6. Eli Manning won his Super Bowl because of a lucky catch and an amazing, amazing defense. I like Eli, I've followed him since Ole Miss, and I've always said he's been better than what everyone thinks of him and he showed that when he won the Super Bowl, but if you think he did it himself then you're an idiot.

7. McNabb hasn't won shit, and last year Drew Brees completely destroyed McNabb's stats. But stats aside, let's look at what McNabb has accomplished in his illustrious career. Numerous NFC Championship game berths, funny thing is A.J. Feeley was able to do the same thing with that team, Jeff Garcia was able to win as well with that team. Add in the fact the Donovan McNabb completely choked in the Super Bowl then went and blamed it on an illness no one knew about before then.

8. Tony Romo is my quarterback so this will be hard, but here it goes. Tony has won nothing, completely nothing, and is horrible in the month of December when games count the most. He's disappeared in ALL of the big games. He's got so much talent around him, far more than Brees could ever dream of, and he hasn't done anything with it. You're stupid for putting Romo over Brees, and I'm a fucking die hard Cowboys fan. In every month besides December and the playoffs I would say Tony is a top 4 or 5 quarterback, but when games really and truly matter, and we need games, Tony is as good as Brooks Bollinger.

10. Jay Cutler... Please enlighten me. This guy hasn't won anything. All he has done is shown mere flashes of potential, and then went and disappointed everyone. You obviously haven't measured Cutler by your "winning=great QB" standards. Cutler barely completes 50% of his pass when his team is losing, and when they are losing, count yourself out if Cutler is your QB. I like Cutler, been following him since Vandy (i live in Tenn so I see all these Mississippi and Tennessee football players from college on), but Cutler doesn't measure up to your standards.

Your list should look like this...

1. Tom Brady
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Kurt Warner
4. Eli Manning
5. Brad Johnson
6. Peyton Manning
7. I'm sure there's other QBs left in the league who've won shit, but I just can't find them. Let's pray Dilfer, Elway, and Aikman all make returns so we can complete this list.

EDIT
Here's my challenge Nuk, find me one QB who has won anything with the amount of (or lack of) talent around him Brees has. To quote Katt Williams, "Don't worry, I'll wait."

My Thoughts exactly. Just to add Phillip Rivers and Norv Turner are like 9-1 in december together. Rivers is a winner , just my opinion. Hes a POS but a winning POS .

 

[Leftwich]

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Kurt Warner
4. Drew Brees
5. Phillip Rivers
6. Big Ben
7. Tony Romo
8. Jay Cutler
9. Donovan McNabb
10. Matty Ice

 

[Archer]

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Big Ben
4. Warner
5. Brees
6. McNabb
7. Rivers
8. Cutler
9. Schaub
10. Romo

I hate to flame your list but really??? Big Ben at number 3? Ahead of Warner and co?

What is your reasoning for this?

And dont just put cause um hes won 2 superbowls duhh

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not falling for anything. As I said before, I just like to argue over sports. I knew from the get go that Nuk is a Warner homer, but I didn't care about getting into the debate because it's talking about football and I'll talk about football any day.

Yes you are falling for it. Nuk is just trolling to stir shitup. He may not even believe half the shit he is saying. He's done it here and over at MM for a while. it's obvious. He even jokes about it over in "The Locker Room" abouthow you guys aren't catching on yet.

It's not even a "debate". Nuk is barely posting anything and whenever you do post anything over 3 lines he ignores it because he doesn't care and is just doing it to kill time. You're debating with someone who doesn't even give a shit and is just trying to mess with you. It amazes me you have carried it on for as long as you have. He's making you all look like fools.

You're actually taking a guy seriously that is posting the career postseason records of Rex Grossman and putting them up against Drew Brees.

 

[Archer]

Big ben shouldn't be number three, I agree. He's a successful quarterback, but not necessarily one of the best.

Im just waiting for the guy to come back and tell me how clutch big ben is. Its funny cause if not for that defense the steelers may not have even made the playoffs this year. For most of the season Big Ben averaged 1 td drive a game (normally in the 4th) put him with Indys d and hes 14 points down by then with that sort of form. And PLEAAAAASE i hope he doesnt tell me about his oline , at least a quarter of big bens sacks are from him holding onto the ball for so god damn long.

 

[The Messenger]

My Thoughts exactly. Just to add Phillip Rivers and Norv Turner are like 9-1 in december together. Rivers is a winner , just my opinion. Hes a POS but a winning POS .

The thing about that, and the reason why Brees didn't have a successful playoff career in San Diego, is cause the Chargers had Marty Schottenheimer and Rivers now have Norv Turner. Marty is notorious for being a horrible playoff coach. He just doesn't know how to coach in big games. That's why when he was fired, even though the Chargers had a bad season, they went farther in the playoffs with Norv Turner.

However, I think Rivers right now is around the 5-6th best QB in the league, and what I was saying in that post is that if Nuk put Rivers up to the standards that he puts Drew Brees up to, then Philip Rivers is not a "winner" and by him having Rivers so high is contradictory.

Nuk doesn't dig through the facts, he takes them at face value. He'll take Rivers having more postseason wins than Brees with the Chargers as "Rivers rose to the occasion and put that team on his back, and Brees couldn't do that." Brees put that same team on his back, he just had horrible production from LT, and his head coach was a coach who couldn't win a playoff game is his life depended on it.

 

[Archer]

The thing about that, and the reason why Brees didn't have a successful playoff career in San Diego, is cause the Chargers had Marty Schottenheimer and Rivers now have Norv Turner. Marty is notorious for being a horrible playoff coach. He just doesn't know how to coach in big games. That's why when he was fired, even though the Chargers had a bad season, they went farther in the playoffs with Norv Turner.

However, I think Rivers right now is around the 5-6th best QB in the league, and what I was saying in that post is that if Nuk put Rivers up to the standards that he puts Drew Brees up to, then Philip Rivers is not a "winner" and by him having Rivers so high is contradictory.

Nuk doesn't dig through the facts, he takes them at face value. He'll take Rivers having more postseason wins than Brees with the Chargers as "Rivers rose to the occasion and put that team on his back, and Brees couldn't do that." Brees put that same team on his back, he just had horrible production from LT, and his head coach was a coach who couldn't win a playoff game is his life depended on it.

No doubt i didnt bring Brees into this indivual argument. But Rivers is a top 5 qb for me.

 

[The Messenger]

Yes you are falling for it. Nuk is just trolling to stir shitup. He may not even believe half the shit he is saying. He's done it here and over at MM for a while. it's obvious. He even jokes about it over in "The Locker Room" abouthow you guys aren't catching on yet.

It's not even a "debate". Nuk is barely posting anything and whenever you do post anything over 3 lines he ignores it because he doesn't care and is just doing it to kill time. You're debating with someone who doesn't even give a shit and is just trying to mess with you. It amazes me you have carried it on for as long as you have. He's making you all look like fools.

You're actually taking a guy seriously that is posting the career postseason records of Rex Grossman and putting them up against Drew Brees.

What you don't get is that I know he is just fucking around, but I like to argue over anything about sports. I sent Random Hero a message back when he told me, "don't worry about Nuk he's all over Kurt's jock and hates Brees for no reason." I sent him a message back saying "I know this would be a never-ending thing, but I just like to argue over football". Even if he is just playing Devil's Advocate, which he clearly is, I don't care cause I like to argue about sports.

The people who are the fools are the people who have replied to the stuff he's said and believed it was true.

I'm doing the same thing Nuk is doing, just killing time.

Do you think I go to sleep at night dreaming about my accomplishments over Nuk in a debate of Kurt Warner versus Drew Brees?

This isn't all about Nuk anyways, even if he is mentioned in every post. It's not too far out there to think someone could believe the stuff he is saying, and some people already have in this thread, so it's just a debate over the issue, not a debate with Nuk in general.

 

[The Messenger]

No doubt i didnt bring Brees into this indivual argument. But Rivers is a top 5 qb for me.

Yea I was just saying lol.

But yeah, I think I got Rivers at number 5 on my list as well.

 

[FirstTimer]

What you don't get is that I know he is just fucking around, but I like to argue over anything about sports.

Than you are a fucking idiot who is feeding into his shit. You might as well turn your chair towards a wall and start talking to it.It would have the same effect and you'd only look insane to you and your family.

 

[Nukleopatra]

My Thoughts exactly. Just to add Phillip Rivers and Norv Turner are like 9-1 in december together. Rivers is a winner , just my opinion. Hes a POS but a winning POS .

Philip Rivers is a winner.

I expect the guy to have at least one super bowl title before it's said and done.

Career record: 33 - 15. 3 playoff victories in 3 seasons as starter.

Brees put that same team on his back, he just had horrible production from LT, and his head coach was a coach who couldn't win a playoff game is his life depended on it

Yes, it's LT's fault that Drew Brees is incompetent.

2002: 1683, 14 TDs.
2003: 1645, 13 TDs.
2004: 1335, 17 TDs.


Seriously, Messenger, this is the last time I even bother responding to you. To say LT was horrible, and didn't help Drew Brees, is about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. I'll let you go back to the fantasy land you currently reside in, where only Drew Brees seems to do his job. Enjoy!

 

[Len B]

I just read through the first ten pages of this thread and it was quite entertaining. Just wanted to point out some things I see wrong with this argument.

Kurt Warner's career - 77.1 QB rating in 51 "Late and Close Games". 13 TD, 14 INT
Drew Bree's career - 82.6 QB rating in 55 "Late and Close Games". 18 TD, 15 INT

Basically identical. I won't say one is better than the other, because really they are both great QB's.

Kurt Warner took a team so "statistically bad" to the playoffs this season because they were lucky to be in the NFC West. They went 9-7 in the worst division in football in quite some time. They got hot at the right time and made a strong push. I give them credit for that playoff push and admit they earned it.

But to use a team's regular season stats as a reason why Warner was great in the playoffs is not a valid argument. They got in because they were the best of the worst. What they did in the post season has zero effect on their regular season team stats.

You can't give Warner credit for taking a statistically bad team to the playoffs in this situation, and then say Brees took a statistically bad team to 8-8.

Saints opponents posted a 142-113 win/loss record this year, 8th hardest at 56%. Cardinals opponents posted a 113-142 record this year, with 44% ranking them 25th hardest.

Put Brees in Arizona, the Cardinals go 9-7 and still win that division. Put Warner on the Saints, Saints still go 8-8 and don't make the playoffs. It's not like one QB killed one team, and the other saved the season.

And by the way, the "don't argue with Nuk" thing is really disturbing. Did MM get soft after I left where people are afraid to put up good arguments?

 

[Nukleopatra]

Put Brees in Arizona, the Cardinals go 9-7 and still win that division. Put Warner on the Saints, Saints still go 8-8 and don't make the playoffs. It's not like one QB killed one team, and the other saved the season.

Nice argument.

Since we're playing that game - I'll assume that Drew Brees would manage to fuck up Arizona's season, the way he fucked up New Orleans by throwing 6 interceptions in two highly important division games.

Oh, I'm just assuming, of course. Like you.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Actually, let's take Len's case a step further.

Let's put Drew Brees in New England a couple years ago, where New England would have beaten New York, and finished with a perfect season. So, let's add on a few post season victories and a super bowl ring to Drew Brees career, since the incompetent douche bag can't seem to do it himself.

Len, you ever think about becoming a sports agent?

Drew Brees would love you. Hell, I know of a lot of players that would love you.

 

[FirstTimer]

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And by the way, the "don't argue with Nuk" thing is really disturbing. Did MM get soft after I left where people are afraid to put up good arguments?

No. Ha. We just learned all he is doing is trolling and arguing for the hell of it. So we quit wasting our time

PS Merge the NFL and NCAA footbal forums already