Wacky BCS scenarios

[ZoneBlitz]

I'd rather see them play in the SEC Champ so we can see some new blood in the NC game, but that isn't possible.

So you agree with me then, thats exactly what i want & how i feel.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

In all seriousness though, Alabama and LSU are the two best teams. If this were a perfect world we would just pencil them in to meet in Atlanta on December 3, and New Orleans on January 8.

Three game series, bitches.

:bsmug:

So whats so bad about wishing they could meet for the SEC title?

 

[Bomberooski]

But dont you realize this already happens? As it is teams play during the regular season & meet again in the conf championship, it happened just last year with Auburn & South Carolina for the SEC. If South Carolina had won the season series woulda been split but SC woulda been the SEC champ. This scenario already happens.

So take a page out of what the Pac 10 used to do. NO Conference Championship.

Just play everyone in your conference once and let the tie breakers decide.

 

[shag773]

Thats cool i dont need anyone to agree with me, as long as people see my point thats all i been trying to do. I just want college football to be more like the NFL, and not make the regular season a playoff. You can have a playoff after the regular season and get more great games & determine a better champion in my opinion.

My question to you would be, if you want it more like the NFL than why would you want to disregard the division format and just take the best 2 teams in the conference?

Take the NFL in 2010 for example. Under your provisions, it would be like saying "I know the Seahawks won their division, but the Buccaneers had a better record, so they will get the playoff nod.

It wouldn't be like the NFL. As a matter of fact, it's probably closer to the current BCS format if you want to know the truth.

 

[Bomberooski]

My question to you would be, if you want it more like the NFL than why would you want to disregard the division format and just take the best 2 teams in the conference?

Take the NFL in 2010 for example. Under your provisions, it would be like saying "I know the Seahawks won their division, but the Buccaneers had a better record, so they will get the playoff nod.

It wouldn't be like the NFL. As a matter of fact, it's probably closer to the current BCS format if you want to know the truth.

I love the idea of top 2 per conference for the playoffs

 

[shag773]

I love the idea of top 2 per conference for the playoffs

That's fine. But my problem with Zone's point is that he kind of flip flops with his argument. On one side he says he wants college football to mirror pro football. But then, in the same post, he will denounce the idea of divisional play and just want the 2 best teams in the conference, which is not close to how the NFL handles their playoff system.

I'm in favor of a playoff system. However, if you are going with the BCS system, and every pro BCS guy will scream that it makes the regular season more meaningful, than for me, Alabama and Oregon are out until LSU is no longer in the championship picture.

 

[Bomberooski]

That's fine. But my problem with Zone's point is that he kind of flip flops with his argument. On one side he says he wants college football to mirror pro football. But then, in the same post, he will denounce the idea of divisional play and just want the 2 best teams in the conference, which is not close to how the NFL handles their playoff system.

I'm in favor of a playoff system. However, if you are going with the BCS system, and every pro BCS guy will scream that it makes the regular season more meaningful, than for me, Alabama and Oregon are out until LSU is no longer in the championship picture.

I agree with both points. Especially the fact that Alabama and Oregon have no business playing LSU in the NC.

 

[Senser81]

But i propose that it shouldnt be about the season series...i see it like the NFL, regular season & postseason are different...so Team A can lose to Team B during the season, but if Team A wins in the playoffs thats what should matter under my proposal...the regular season game would still be very meaningful because no one is guaranteed a rematch in the postseason/championship, it just turned out that way

3 problems:

1) Too many teams = with so many teams deserving of a title shot, having two teams play each other twice is the ultimate circle jerk.

2) Too few games = the schedule is too short to accomodate rematches. Even within conferences, there aren't enough games.

3) No postseason tournament = with only 2 teams having a chance to win the title in the current postseason setup, allowing non-divisional winners to continue to play meaningful postseason games further limits the pool of potential title winners.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

In all seriousness though, Alabama and LSU are the two best teams. If this were a perfect world we would just pencil them in to meet in Atlanta on December 3, and New Orleans on January 8.

Three game series, bitches.

Why don't you let it play out, bruh...at the beginning of the season, it was Oklahoma destined to be in the title game, Boise was going undefeated, et al.

LSU still needs to play Arkansas and then Georgia...two Top 15 teams (both may be Top 10 when they play LSU)...Oklahoma State still needs to play Oklahoma in the defacto Big XII Championship Game. Lots of time to let things play out.

 

[Bomberooski]

Why don't you let it play out, bruh...at the beginning of the season, it was Oklahoma destined to be in the title game, Boise was going undefeated, et al.

LSU still needs to play Arkansas and then Georgia...two Top 15 teams (both may be Top 10 when they play LSU)...Oklahoma State still needs to play Oklahoma in the defacto Big XII Championship Game. Lots of time to let things play out.

I would love LSU and OK St to lose a game a piece and watch the pandemonium ensue. You thought Sandusky got a lot of run on sports radio???

 

[ZoneBlitz]

So take a page out of what the Pac 10 used to do. NO Conference Championship.

Just play everyone in your conference once and let the tie breakers decide.

Conference championship games are good, why reduce the amount of good games?

 

[ZoneBlitz]

My question to you would be, if you want it more like the NFL than why would you want to disregard the division format and just take the best 2 teams in the conference?

Take the NFL in 2010 for example. Under your provisions, it would be like saying "I know the Seahawks won their division, but the Buccaneers had a better record, so they will get the playoff nod.

It wouldn't be like the NFL. As a matter of fact, it's probably closer to the current BCS format if you want to know the truth.

That's fine. But my problem with Zone's point is that he kind of flip flops with his argument. On one side he says he wants college football to mirror pro football. But then, in the same post, he will denounce the idea of divisional play and just want the 2 best teams in the conference, which is not close to how the NFL handles their playoff system.

I'm in favor of a playoff system. However, if you are going with the BCS system, and every pro BCS guy will scream that it makes the regular season more meaningful, than for me, Alabama and Oregon are out until LSU is no longer in the championship picture.

Just because i want it more like the NFL doesnt mean i want it exactly like the NFL. I meant more like the NFL in the sense of elimination games where the winner advances (playoffs).

 

[ZoneBlitz]

3 problems:

1) Too many teams = with so many teams deserving of a title shot, having two teams play each other twice is the ultimate circle jerk.

2) Too few games = the schedule is too short to accomodate rematches. Even within conferences, there aren't enough games.

3) No postseason tournament = with only 2 teams having a chance to win the title in the current postseason setup, allowing non-divisional winners to continue to play meaningful postseason games further limits the pool of potential title winners.

1) & 2) Rematches already happen frequently. Last year Auburn played South Carolina twice.

3) I would obviously get rid of the BCS.

 

[Bomberooski]

Conference championship games are good, why reduce the amount of good games?

I'm just looking at coming up with clear cut conference champions

 

[Senser81]

1) & 2) Rematches already happen frequently. Last year Auburn played South Carolina twice.

And they suck. Under your plan, these rematches would happen even more frequently. So lets take something that already sucks, and ensure that it will happen more often. Sounds like a good plan.

 

[Bomberooski]

And they suck. Under your plan, these rematches would happen even more frequently. So lets take something that already sucks, and ensure that it will happen more often. Sounds like a good plan.

Just diminishes the excitement of a one game a year battle.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

And they suck. Under your plan, these rematches would happen even more frequently. So lets take something that already sucks, and ensure that it will happen more often. Sounds like a good plan.

Who says they would happen more frequently? This year it would produce a rematch, but in other situations it can actually avoid rematches.

 

[Senser81]

Who says they would happen more frequently? This year it would produce a rematch, but in other situations it can actually avoid rematches.

It would produce more rematches. I can show you the math, but I don't want to explain it. Short version: SEC has 6 teams in a division. Teams play 8 conference games. 5 of those 8 games are against divisional foes, whom they have no chance of facing again. 3 of those games are against other conference foes, whom they have a chance of facing in the title game. So there is a 3 in 6 chance of a rematch (50%, in simplistic terms). If you eliminate divisions, then you have an SEC team playing 8 of their 11 conference rivals. So there is an 8 in 11 chance of a rematch (73%). So you are basically increasing your chances of a rematch by a factor of 50%.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Nevermind it wouldnt actually ever prevent rematches (i was thinking of the Pac-10 & Big-10 before they expanded)

EDIT: Fuck you beat me to it. I still dont see a rematch as a horrible thing though. You honestly rather see LSU-Georgia instead of LSU-Alabama again? Im not saying you're wrong i just dont see rematches as being so bad. I would much rather see LSU-Alabama again instead of LSU-Georgia. Im sure many would too.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Anyone who hates rematches is going to hate my idea. I dont hate them at all. 2 great games is better than 1.