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When will the Patriots realize that they need to draft a WR?

Tailback U

No substitute 4 strength.
It seems like every year, the Patriots eventually lose to a team like the Steelers or Jets because those teams can apply pressure on Brady and jam the receivers at the LOS to throw off Brady's timing.

Patriots 2011 draft class:

5 Marcus Cannon 7 OL TCU
3 Ryan Mallett 10 QB Arkansas
7 Malcolm Williams 16 DB TCU
1 Nate Solder 17 OL Colorado
5 Lee Smith 28 TE Marshall
6 Markell Carter 29 DE Central Arkansas
2 Ras-I Dowling 33 CB Virginia
2 Shane Vereen 56 RB California
3 Stevan Ridley 73 RB LSU

No wide receivers drafted, even though it was clear that they lost to the Jets, a division rival mind you, in the playoffs last season because none of their receivers could get off the press.

2010 draft class:

1 Devin McCourty 27 CB Rutgers
2 Rob Gronkowski 42 TE Arizona 2b Jermaine Cunningham 53 DE Florida
2c Brandon Spikes 62 MLB Florida
3 Taylor Price 90 WR Ohio University
4 Aaron Hernandez 113 TE Florida
5 Zoltan Mesko 150 P Michigan
6 Ted Larsen 205 C North Carolina State
7a Thomas Welch 208 OL Vanderbilt
7b Brandon Deaderick 247 DL Alabama
7c Kade Weston 248 DT Georgia
7d Zac Robinson 250 QB Oklahoma State

Overall, a great class, but again no wide receivers drafted except for Taylor Price (3rd round) who has been released.

2009:

2a Patrick Chung 34 SS Oregon
2b Ron Brace 40 DT Boston College
2c Darius Butler 41 CB Connecticut
2d Sebastian Vollmer 58 OL Houston
3a Brandon Tate 83 WR North Carolina
3b Tyrone McKenzie 97 LB South Florida
4 Rich Ohrnberger 123 OL Penn State
5 George Bussey 170 OL Louisville
6a Jake Ingram 198 LS Hawaii
6b Myron Pryor 207 DT Kentucky
7a Julian Edelman 232 WR Kent State
7b Darryl Richard 234 DT Georgia Tech

Brandon Tate has been a disappointment and pretty much irrelevent. And Julian Edelman is another under sized route runner who has done next to nothing besides fill in for Welker when he gets hurt.

I understand Belicheck's philosophy and I think drafting Gronkowski and Hernandez was supposed to be the solution but they primarily work the middle of the field, which is easier for safeties to help out, and they are also often times used to help protect Brady.

The Patriots still have holes on defense and on offense and it's like they think Brady is all they need. Gronkowski and Hernandez are flat out studs, but eventually you'd think that they need more than Welker and Branch at WR because the Steelers and Jets completely take them out of the game whenever they meet in the playoffs.

The last time they went deep into the playoffs was when they had Randy Moss. I expect them to get knocked out of the playoffs for the same exact reasons as last year, by either the Ravens or Steelers.

Maybe I should have titled it differently, but the bottom line is that the Patriots need to acquire a big time stud at WR. I think that is the only thing holding them back from another Super Bowl right now because their defense, for the most part, is able to keep teams in check in the playoffs because Belicheck is so good defensively.
 
Deion Branch, David Givens, PK Sam, Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, Julian Edelman, Brandon Tate, Taylor Price


Do they need a studly WR? No, would it help yes.

They've WON super bowls with Branch/Givens/Brown, didn't win shit with Moss/Stallworth/Welker
 
It seems like every year, the Patriots eventually lose to a team like the Steelers or Jets because those teams can apply pressure on Brady and jam the receivers at the LOS to throw off Brady's timing.

Patriots 2011 draft class:

5 Marcus Cannon 7 OL TCU
3 Ryan Mallett 10 QB Arkansas
7 Malcolm Williams 16 DB TCU
1 Nate Solder 17 OL Colorado
5 Lee Smith 28 TE Marshall
6 Markell Carter 29 DE Central Arkansas
2 Ras-I Dowling 33 CB Virginia
2 Shane Vereen 56 RB California
3 Stevan Ridley 73 RB LSU

No wide receivers drafted, even though it was clear that they lost to the Jets, a division rival mind you, in the playoffs last season because none of their receivers could get off the press.

2010 draft class:

1 Devin McCourty 27 CB Rutgers
2 Rob Gronkowski 42 TE Arizona 2b Jermaine Cunningham 53 DE Florida
2c Brandon Spikes 62 MLB Florida
3 Taylor Price 90 WR Ohio University
4 Aaron Hernandez 113 TE Florida
5 Zoltan Mesko 150 P Michigan
6 Ted Larsen 205 C North Carolina State
7a Thomas Welch 208 OL Vanderbilt
7b Brandon Deaderick 247 DL Alabama
7c Kade Weston 248 DT Georgia
7d Zac Robinson 250 QB Oklahoma State

Overall, a great class, but again no wide receivers drafted except for Taylor Price (3rd round) who has been released.
2009:

2a Patrick Chung 34 SS Oregon
2b Ron Brace 40 DT Boston College
2c Darius Butler 41 CB Connecticut
2d Sebastian Vollmer 58 OL Houston
3a Brandon Tate 83 WR North Carolina
3b Tyrone McKenzie 97 LB South Florida
4 Rich Ohrnberger 123 OL Penn State
5 George Bussey 170 OL Louisville
6a Jake Ingram 198 LS Hawaii
6b Myron Pryor 207 DT Kentucky
7a Julian Edelman 232 WR Kent State
7b Darryl Richard 234 DT Georgia Tech

Brandon Tate has been a disappointment and pretty much irrelevent. And Julian Edelman is another under sized route runner who has done next to nothing besides fill in for Welker when he gets hurt.

I understand Belicheck's philosophy and I think drafting Gronkowski and Hernandez was supposed to be the solution but they primarily work the middle of the field, which is easier for safeties to help out, and they are also often times used to help protect Brady.

The Patriots still have holes on defense and on offense and it's like they think Brady is all they need. Gronkowski and Hernandez are flat out studs, but eventually you'd think that they need more than Welker and Branch at WR because the Steelers and Jets completely take them out of the game whenever they meet in the playoffs.

The last time they went deep into the playoffs was when they had Randy Moss. I expect them to get knocked out of the playoffs for the same exact reasons as last year, by either the Ravens or Steelers.

Maybe I should have titled it differently, but the bottom line is that the Patriots need to acquire a big time stud at WR. I think that is the only thing holding them back from another Super Bowl right now because their defense, for the most part, is able to keep teams in check in the playoffs because Belicheck is so good defensively.

i thought they just cut a WR they drafted.....Taylor Price?
 
Deion Branch, David Givens, PK Sam, Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, Julian Edelman, Brandon Tate, Taylor Price


Do they need a studly WR? No, would it help yes.

Instead of drafting 2 running backs in the 2nd round last year, who don't even play, and a backup QB in the 3rd you'd think they'd at least have tried to get a WR.

Shit, the Raiders got Denarious Moore in the 5th round last season. Wouldn't hurt for them to at least try. It is obviously a need, since they lose to teams that can just hold Branch and Welker up at the LOS every time they meet in the playoffs.
 
Unless you have a top 10 pick stud WRs are hard to find in the draft. Its seems Belicheck is aware of this issue, but is more content with taking veterans who can just come into the system. Everyone thought Ochocinco was going to revive his career, but that hasn't happened.
 
Drafting Gronk and Hernando

Hernandez can line up out wide and create a mismatch with whoever's on him. Press or not.

And IDK if you noticed it but, BJGE/Woodhead/Faulk wasn't the runningback stable of the future. Ridley has been good, and when he gets carries he usually breaks one +10 and Vereen has the skill set to be great

I mean really, if you live in NE, you've learned to not question anything because BB's got a master plan. And as long as our WR corps looks better than the Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Troy Brown and Doug Gabriel of 2006 I'm all set.

Chad Jackson was drafted in the 2nd round in 2006 also. So maybe after so many high pick WR busts, Belichick just finds more value in talent elsewhere
 
Gronk - 65 rec, 928 yards, 13 TDs, 1 rushing TD
Hernandez - 54 rec, 524 yards, 5 TDs

Welker - 93 rec, 1253 yards, 8 TDs

lol - When will people realize that the Patriots don't need to draft a WR with TEs like Gronk and Hernando?
 
Deion Branch, David Givens, PK Sam, Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, Julian Edelman, Brandon Tate, Taylor Price


Do they need a studly WR? No, would it help yes.

They've WON super bowls with Branch/Givens/Brown, didn't win shit with Moss/Stallworth/Welker

The Patriots defense also isn't as good as it was when they won those SB's.

Bringing up not winning one with Moss is curious at best as him and Brady gave you the lead in the SB before the defense shit the bed.
 
Unless you have a top 10 pick stud WRs are hard to find in the draft. Its seems Belicheck is aware of this issue, but is more content with taking veterans who can just come into the system. Everyone thought Ochocinco was going to revive his career, but that hasn't happened.

I completely disagree.

I am mainly talking about big, physical WRs that can break the press or stretch the field.

Mike Wallace - 3rd round pick

Victor Cruz - Undrafted

Greg Jennings - 2nd round pick

Jordy Nelson - 2nd round pick

Eric Decker (8 TDs) - 3rd round pick

Vincent Jackson - 2nd round pick

Steve Smith (Carolina) - 2nd round pick

Brandon Marshall - 4th round pick

Dwayne Bowe - 1st round pick, 23rd overall.

Roddy White - 1st round pick, 27th overall.

I'm not saying they need a sure fire stud like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but for a team that is considered the best at drafting, they've struck out on receivers or completely given up on trying to draft a good one.
 
this will be the year they draft one, it is such a deep WR draft they can get themselves a big guy with a good value having all the picks they have
 
I completely disagree.

I am mainly talking about big, physical WRs that can break the press or stretch the field.

Mike Wallace - 3rd round pick

Victor Cruz - Undrafted

Greg Jennings - 2nd round pick

Jordy Nelson - 2nd round pick

Eric Decker (8 TDs) - 3rd round pick

Vincent Jackson - 2nd round pick

Steve Smith (Carolina) - 2nd round pick

Brandon Marshall - 4th round pick

Dwayne Bowe - 1st round pick, 23rd overall.

Roddy White - 1st round pick, 27th overall.

I'm not saying they need a sure fire stud like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but for a team that is considered the best at drafting, they've struck out on receivers or completely given up on trying to draft a good one.

Wut.
 
The Patriots defense also isn't as good as it was when they won those SB's.

Bringing up not winning one with Moss is curious at best as him and Brady gave you the lead in the SB before the defense shit the bed.
In 2007, with the scores the Pats were putting up, offense let the defense down. The D only giving up 17 isn't a bad performance, the offense putting 14 was the issue. Asante dropping the pick and Manning houdini'ing it up def put the Giants in position but Pats offense should have scored more imo

and Tailback, the Patriots HAVE drafted WRs in spots where those WRs you listed were taken, they've just all been busts...
 
I have to point out that not only did they win 3 super bowls with above average WR's, they had a Randy Moss, and managed to go 16-0, but not win Super Bowl, so I can't really agree that they need one.

Edit: I missed that it was already pointed out, but I agree and stick to it.
 
In 2007, with the scores the Pats were putting up, offense let the defense down. The D only giving up 17 isn't a bad performance, the offense putting 14 was the issue. Asante dropping the pick and Manning houdini'ing it up def put the Giants in position but Pats offense should have scored more imo
I guess? But the defense was essentially asked to make one stop. And couldn't. I just think bringing up not winning one with Moss is a bit weak. Plus the OL let down more than Moss did.
 
Gronk - 65 rec, 928 yards, 13 TDs, 1 rushing TD
Hernandez - 54 rec, 524 yards, 5 TDs

Welker - 93 rec, 1253 yards, 8 TDs

lol - When will people realize that the Patriots don't need to draft a WR with TEs like Gronk and Hernando?

Wes Welker vs. the Jets last postseason - 7 catches, 58 yards, 0 TD.
Gronkowski - 4 catches, 64 yards.
Branch - 5 catches, 59 yards, 1 TD.

Looking at it now, I guess they didn't even make the playoffs in 09 and 08, year before they had Moss.

Gronk is a flat out stud, but like I said, they need to keep him in to block to help protect Brady and he primarily works the middle of the field - an area that is easy for safeties to help out over the top.

It is really tough to dink and dunk all game vs. a team like the Steelers, Ravens, or Jets (of last season). Especially when you can't run the ball or use playaction.
 
The Patriots don't need to.

I don't think the kind of WR you find in the early rounds is a fit for what NE does as an offence.

Brady is going to top Marino's yard mark (to suggest weather is going to stop him is kind of foolish IMO) and he doesn't need another WR to do this.

The Patriots want football players at the WR position, you just don't find those where you're telling them to look. They want hard nosed WR's that are smart as fuck, that will go into the tough areas and make catches, that will return kicks, that will play DB, make special teams tackles.

They don't want some primadonna D-Jax bitch who is going to holdout for 10's of millions and take stupid penalties. What the fuck good is he do for the Eagles that we're missing out on? We're in 1st, they're looking to next season.

I find the criticism of what NE doing to be astounding on this board, we do nothing but win often and apparently we're doing it wrong?
 
The Patriots defense also isn't as good as it was when they won those SB's.

Bringing up not winning one with Moss is curious at best as him and Brady gave you the lead in the SB before the defense shit the bed.

The phrase "defence wins championships" is proven to be an utter load of bullshit.

The Patriots as a team are good enough to win a Super Bowl this year, defence not being as good as it was then not making a change to that.



why don't the equally defensive rated Packers have to "fix their defence" ? They have a perfect season on the line, which the Patriots could EASILY have save for a couple of plays. While our critics are high, we really are that close to being undefeated at the very same time.
 
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