When will the Patriots realize that they need to draft a WR?

[Tailback U]

Wut.

I am mainly talking about big, physical WRs that can break the press or stretch the field.

And have you seen some of the catches that Steve Smith and Cruz make downfield despite being undersized? They are physical and attack the football when it's in the air and consistently bully their way to get to the football despite their size.

 

[FirstTimer]

Hmm then maybe fixing the defense would be more important than drafting a WR

Ok?

I never said otherwise. I never even said the Pat's should go after WR's more. I just took issue with the idea that the Pat's didn't win one with Moss...when Moss caught the go ahead TD pass in the Super Bowl.

 

[Tailback U]

The Patriots don't need to.

I don't think the kind of WR you find in the early rounds is a fit for what NE does as an offence.

Brady is going to top Marino's yard mark (to suggest weather is going to stop him is kind of foolish IMO) and he doesn't need another WR to do this.

The Patriots want football players at the WR position, you just don't find those where you're telling them to look. They want hard nosed WR's that are smart as fuck, that will go into the tough areas and make catches, that will return kicks, that will play DB, make special teams tackles.

They don't want some primadonna D-Jax bitch who is going to holdout for 10's of millions and take stupid penalties. What the fuck good is he do for the Eagles that we're missing out on? We're in 1st, they're looking to next season.

I find the criticism of what NE doing to be astounding on this board, we do nothing but win often and apparently we're doing it wrong?

Who said the Patriots are doing anything wrong?

I'm just suggesting an area of concern that they should have because this is the main reason why they lose to those physical defenses in the playoffs.

I think this is the one thing they need in order to win another SB.

Let's say the Patriots could draft 1 player next season and that player was a sure fire stud.

What position would you have them draft?

 

[FirstTimer]

And have you seen some of the catches that Steve Smith and Cruz make downfield despite being undersized?

Victor Cruz is another #3 WR. The Patriots are fat with those. I also don't see Victor Cruz as a field stretcher. Smith, maybe, but he's not the same player he was in 2005.


The guys going up and attacking the football for the Pats are Gronk and Hernandez. I really don't see Smith or Cruz as difference makers beating a team like the Jets..who I don't think are really that good anyways.

The Pats have bigger issues at OL, RB and on defense IMO. I'd put WR's down the list a a bit of what they "need"

 

[Tailback U]

Just to be clear - I think the Patriots consistently overachieve.

I really don't think they are that talented offensively. They obviously execute better than anyone, outside of the Packers (arguably).

 

[nflman2033]

Ok?

I never said otherwise. I never even said the Pat's should go after WR's more. I just took issue with the idea that the Pat's didn't win one with Moss...when Moss caught the go ahead TD pass in the Super Bowl.

Regardless, the fact remains that they won 3 with very pedestrian WR, and didn't win when they had Moss

 

[FirstTimer]

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What position would you have them draft?

Trent Richardson

 

[JOHNNYTHECLOWN]

Tailback just talking out of his ass at this point.

Like KG said, the 8-3, #1 Seed, Patriots are doing just fine and are very capable and should be favorites for the Super Bowl.

Sleep on them cause they don't have a receiver that's fine.

Last time Pats played Jets:
Welker - 5 rec, 124 yards
Branch - 7 rec, 74 yards TD

Game before that:
Gronk - 8 rec 113 yards, 2 TDs
Branch - 5 rec, 58 yards
Ochocino - 2 rec, 65 yards
Welker - 6 rec, 46

If you had some evidence to back your claims relative to THIS SEASON, I'd agree but really you're just bullshitting

 

[ralaw]

Regardless, the fact remains that they won 3 with very pedestrian WR, and didn't win when they had Moss

I don't understand how these two points relate. Are people suggesting that because they won with average guys and didn't with a stud WR then that means they don't need a stud WR? I don't agree with that form of logic. I have to believe that a stud WR would make things easier for everyone....including Brady. I just don't think that sort of logic can carry over forever, as each season has a host of variables that go into who wins a SB and why.

 

[killgod]

Who said the Patriots are doing anything wrong?

I'm just suggesting an area of concern that they should have because this is the main reason why they lose to those physical defenses in the playoffs.

I think this is the one thing they need in order to win another SB.

Let's say the Patriots could draft 1 player next season and that player was a sure fire stud.

What position would you have them draft?

Well I took your thread topic as a criticism that they are doing something wrong in saying they should be drafting WR's.


I'm a bit torn there. I've been impressed with Carter/Ellis/Anderson at the DE spot all year but with their ages you can't look that far down the road.

If not at DE, I'd look at SS as we need a physical imposing player that can bring the element we had with Rodney Harrison. Although pass defence is overrated these days as long as you have players that are capable of making turnovers.

 

[FirstTimer]

Regardless, the fact remains that they won 3 with very pedestrian WR, and didn't win when they had Moss

Overly simplistic viewpoint.

 

[Tailback U]

Tailback just talking out of his ass at this point.

Like KG said, the 8-3, #1 Seed, Patriots are doing just fine and are very capable and should be favorites for the Super Bowl.

Sleep on them cause they don't have a receiver that's fine.

Last time Pats played Jets:
Welker - 5 rec, 124 yards
Branch - 7 rec, 74 yards TD

Game before that:
Gronk - 8 rec 113 yards, 2 TDs
Branch - 5 rec, 58 yards
Ochocino - 2 rec, 65 yards
Welker - 6 rec, 46

If you had some evidence to back your claims relative to THIS SEASON, I'd agree but really you're just bullshitting

LOL @ you being so sensitive.

Not the same Jets D this year as last, at all. Even comparing them to last year is stupid.

Victor Cruz is another #3 WR. The Patriots are fat with those. I also don't see Victor Cruz as a field stretcher. Smith, maybe, but he's not the same player he was in 2005.


The guys going up and attacking the football for the Pats are Gronk and Hernandez. I really don't see Smith or Cruz as difference makers beating a team like the Jets..who I don't think are really that good anyways.

The Pats have bigger issues at OL, RB and on defense IMO. I'd put WR's down the list a a bit of what they "need"

I gotcha. I understand that thought process as well. They have several issues, I just think WR is a glaring one but only when they face those defensive minded teams.

And Cruz is averaging over 17 yards a catch. He has 17 catches over 20 yards (6 more than Mike Wallace) and 6 catches over 40 yards - tied with Mike Wallace and Calvin Johnson for tops in the league.

 

[nflman2033]

I don't understand how these two points relate. Are people suggesting that because they won with average guys and didn't with a stud WR then that means they don't need a stud WR? I don't agree with that form of logic. I have to believe that a stud WR would make things easier for everyone....including Brady. I just don't think that sort of logic can carry over forever, as each season has a host of variables that go into who wins a SB and why.

Because winning 3 without means you don't have to have one. If they had never won one, and the I said they didn't win when they had moss, I would agree with you. You are missing the more import part of argument, which is they won three without a top WR.

 

[killgod]

Just to be clear - I think the Patriots consistently overachieve.

I really don't think they are that talented offensively. They obviously execute better than anyone, outside of the Packers (arguably).

Top draft WR's are superior athletes that just make plays, much like we saw with Moss during his time in NE.

However that got NE away from being a team who executed at a level higher than anyone else on the offence. A big part of the offence was then more...wide open, more about athletic ability than elite execution.

When they got to the Super Bowl and the throw it up to the athelete tactic failed, you saw that NE wasn't as sharp in execution to overcome what the Giants were doing in the trenches.

I believe that Moss being in the offence was a strong part in why the Patriot offence failed that game to do what they did all decade.

I don't understand how these two points relate. Are people suggesting that because they won with average guys and didn't with a stud WR then that means they don't need a stud WR? I don't agree with that form of logic. I have to believe that a stud WR would make things easier for everyone....including Brady.

I disagree for the reason suggested above.

 

[nflman2033]

Overly simplistic viewpoint.

What need is there to be complicated, they didn't need a top WR to win three and couldn't win when they did, it doesn't matter what the reasons where for winning 3 times and not winning the other. It's just a fact that they didn't need a top WR to win when they proved it 3 times they didn't need one

 

[FirstTimer]

Because winning 3 without means you don't have to have one. If they had never won one, and the I said they didn't win when they had moss, I would agree with you. You are missing the more import part of argument, which is they won three without a top WR.

And they also had a top tier defense, a better OL. Which they don't have now. There's WAY more variables involved than just the WR position. Boiling it down to Moss and only Moss is dumb.

 

[FirstTimer]

What need is there to be complicated, they didn't need a top WR to win three and couldn't win when they did, it doesn't matter what the reasons where for winning 3 times and not winning the other. It's just a fact that they didn't need a top WR to win when they proved it 3 times they didn't need one

bama:

:jonesy:

 

[ralaw]

Because winning 3 without means you don't have to have one. If they had never won one, and the I said they didn't win when they had moss, I would agree with you. You are missing the more import part of argument, which is they won three without a top WR.

They were stopping a pass rush away from being considered the Geatest Team of All Time with Moss......that has to mean something, No? I understand they didn't win a championship, but 18-1 and Brady having his greatest season ever has to mean something.

 

[JOHNNYTHECLOWN]

And they also had a top tier defense, a better OL. Which they don't have now. There's WAY more variables involved than just the WR position. Boiling it down to Moss and only Moss is dumb.

Corey Dillon.

I'll make a thread 'When will the Patriots realize that they need to draft a RB?'

Obviously, if you take a football team and add a studly WR they would become better. At this point do they NEED a WR to put them over the top? No. They're already there.

 

[FirstTimer]

They were a pass rush away from being considered the Geatest Team of All Time with Moss......that has to mean something, No? I understand they didn't win a championship, but 18-1 and Brady having his greatest seaon ever has to mean something.

Exactly.

These recent Patriots teams aren't built like the early 2000 versions at some pretty key areas that helped them win. It's easier to have a difference maker at the WR and RB position with one guy than it is to cobble and rebuild an OL and defense. Do the Patriot's "need" a better WR? Maybe. Maybe not. It sure as hell would be a luxury with the middling defense they have, the OL I'm not overly impressed with and a stable of running backs that can be lulz worthy at times.

I sure as hell know they'd rather have a player X with the skill set of Randy Moss from years ago than not have him.....and especially given the way the team is constructed right now. I can see it both ways...but simply saying they don't need one because when they had Moss they didn't win is ridiculously simple minded.