When will the Patriots realize that they need to draft a WR?

[Bear Pand]

Corey Dillon.

I'll make a thread 'When will the Patriots realize that they need to draft a RB?'

Obviously, if you take a football team and add a studly WR they would become better. At this point do they NEED a WR to put them over the top? No. They're already there.

Pats haven't been on top since like 2004. And I'm pretty sure they've had a .500 or worse playoff record since then.

 

[FirstTimer]

Corey Dillon.

I'll make a thread 'When will the Patriots realize that they need to draft a RB?'

Obviously, if you take a football team and add a studly WR they would become better. At this point do they NEED a WR to put them over the top? No. They're already there.

Like I said. I see it both ways. I don't think you can ignore a guy like Moss the same way I don't think you can ignore these Patriots teams aren't nearly as good at some key spots as they were in the early 2000's when they were able to get by with marginal WR's.

 

[ThunderHorse]

If you had some evidence to back your claims relative to THIS SEASON, I'd agree but really you're just bullshitting

The Steelers didn't show everyone how to give the Pat QB and WR's a hard time this year?

I think that's what TB is saying in the end. you guys are going to have to see at least 1 or 2 teams like that, who are going to use similar gameplans.

 

[killgod]

Exactly.

These recent Patriots teams aren't built like the early 2000 versions at some pretty key areas that helped them win. It's easier to have a difference maker at the WR and RB position with one guy than it is to cobble and rebuild an OL and defense. Do the Patriot's "need" a better WR? Maybe. Maybe not. It sure as hell would be a luxury with the middling defense they have, the OL I'm not overly impressed with and a stable of running backs that can be lulz worthy at times.

I sure as hell know they'd rather have a player X with the skill set of Randy Moss from years ago than not have him.....and especially given the way the team is constructed right now. I can see it both ways...but simply saying they don't need one because when they had Moss they didn't win is ridiculously simple minded.

The OL definitely needs some work but what can you do right now. Koppen out for the season doesn't help and Vollmer's been hurt as well so he's not able to get his career started. Solder is learning on the job, Waters is new to the team...it's a patchwork OL with some problems, but not entirely in trouble. Mankins is a stud guard and these young pair of tackles could become pretty good and make for a decent OL for the next few years.

The RB's can be lulz worthy I guess, but getting over 100 a game and having a guy like BJGE with a career of ZERO fumbles, let alone lost fumbles, what's lulz worthy about it? He just executes and doesn't lose the football. 8TD's, probably another 4 to go this season, what's wrong with that? The NFL doesn't even have a 100 per game back right now, so I'll take 50, 1 TD and zero fumbles per game from BJGE anyday.


I still say they don't need that athlete because they are more successful by proper execution. They stay sharper when they don't turn to raw athleticism.

 

[JOHNNYTHECLOWN]

Every team NEEDs playmakers.

This team could use a big play CB, DE, RB before they need a WR.

 

[killgod]

Pats haven't been on top since like 2004. And I'm pretty sure they've had a .500 or worse playoff record since then.

That's a terrible point to make.

The playoffs are a one game scenario. Anyone can win with any set of reasons. This is why there's upsets. All Mike Carey had to do was make the call he would have made if it wasn't the Super Bowl....which is sack on Eli Manning when he was in the grasp, instead the hero catch happened and the Giants won the Super Bowl. A referee could have changed the outcome of the Super Bowl, it's really that simple to see how a W and L can be changed by a 3rd party factor.

If you take a larger sample of the entire season, you see NE in the tops and winning their division just about every year.

I would consider that being on top. It's not championships, but they are a consistently winning franchise.

 

[FirstTimer]

The OL definitely needs some work but what can you do right now.

That's part of my point.


Again, it's not what they have now. It's what they have now compared to what they had when they won before. Do I think the Patriots can win the Sb as currently constructed? Yes. Does that mean you can just draw and simple correlation to how they won before? No.

All that being said, I'd sure as hell rather have the 2007 Patriots playing week in and week out compared to this team if I was a Pat's fan.

 

[killgod]

That's part of my point.

Again, it's not what they have now. It's what they have now compared to what they had when they won before.

Yes but I believe your critque neglects injury and recently drafted talent that needs time to become something. I'm not as bothered by where our OL is as you are suggesting fans should be.

All that being said, I'd sure as hell rather have the 2007 Patriots playing week in and week out compared to this team if I was a Pat's fan.

I don't. I've already said why.

 

[Tailback U]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't think the Patriots will be able to beat the Steelers in the postseason this year because they will have to dink and dunk it all the way down the field vs. them without turning the ball over.

They aren't going to run on them and they aren't going to get big plays vs. them.

Brady averaged 5.7 yards per pass against the Steelers earlier this season. All the Steelers had to do was jam the receivers at the line and get pressure and that was it for the Patriots.

The funny thing is that Brady actually had a good game vs. the Steelers. 101 QB rating, 24/35 for 198 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT and it felt like they were completely shut down.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yes but I believe your critque neglects injury and recently drafted talent that needs time to become something. I'm not as bothered by where our OL is as you are suggesting fans should be.

It doesn't neglect it at all. It points it out. Patriot fans feeling confident they can win this season, because they have won with out a stud WR before, ignores that the team isn't as good at OL(among other areas) as they were when they won it...when they didn't have a stud WR.

I don't think the OL is trash but some Pats fan here are refusing to look beyond the WR position as a comparison between now and when they won 3 SB's.

I'm not even all aboard the grab a stud WR train..I'm just saying more thought needs to go into it than "Well we didn't have a stud WR when we won our other SB's"....Ok...but there are a lot more factors into those teams than having or not having a stud WR.

I don't. I've already said why.

I think that's pretty stupid. But Ok.

I know I'd rather have a team that was a dropped INT, or a mcircus catch away from being the GOAT than a 9-3 football team.

 

[JOHNNYTHECLOWN]

I know I'd rather have a that was a dropped INT, or a mcircus catch away from being the GOAT than a 9-3 football team.

2007 Pats are GOAT but they didn't win it all, so why would i take a non winning super bowl team over a team that has the potential to win it all during a season where only one team has stuck out head and shoulders above the rest, and that team is the Packers who are very much comparable to the Patriots

There's still a lot of football to be played this season, so to say that this team is going to lose in the first round of the playoffs because they don't have a WR who can get off the press clean is ridiculous.

 

[Tailback U]

2007 Pats are GOAT but they didn't win it all, so why would i take a non winning super bowl team over a team that has the potential to win it all during a season where only one team has stuck out head and shoulders above the rest, and that team is the Packers who are very much comparable to the Patriots

There's still a lot of football to be played this season, so to say that this team is going to lose in the first round of the playoffs because they don't have a WR who can get off the press clean is ridiculous.

First round of the playoffs? Are you just making shit up now?

I think the Patriots will lose to the Steelers if they meet. I think they can beat the Ravens but they will be very tough to beat.

Anybody else, I think the Patriots will handle fairly easily.

 

[Bear Pand]

2007 Pats are GOAT but they didn't win it all, so why would i take a non winning super bowl team over a team that has the potential to win it all during a season where only one team has stuck out head and shoulders above the rest, and that team is the Packers who are very much comparable to the Patriots

There's still a lot of football to be played this season, so to say that this team is going to lose in the first round of the playoffs because they don't have a WR who can get off the press clean is ridiculous.

So basically you'd take this team over the 2007 version because the season isn't over yet for this years squad, and the 07 squad already lost in the SB?

 

[FirstTimer]

2007 Pats are GOAT but they didn't win it all, so why would i take a non winning super bowl team over a team that has the potential to win it all

bama:

Jesus Christ.

How can your dumb ass not get this?

If I chose the 2007 Patriots they wouldn't be playing the 2007 season and SB in perpetuity. They'd be playing hypothetical games this season and based on their peformance relative to the NFL in general over history I'd rather roll the dice in those games with that team than this years version.


Are you being intentionally dense?

I'm not willing to ignore league domination for 18 games because they lost in the last minute of the final game of the season. They lost the Super Bowl, but I think you'd have to be pretty mentally unstable to not say that the Pats weren't the best team in the NFL that season.

There's so to say that this team is going to lose in the first round of the playoffs because they don't have a WR who can get off the press clean is ridiculous.

Never said that, implied it, or even mentioned it.

STFU.

 

[JOHNNYTHECLOWN]

First round of the playoffs? Are you just making shit up now?

I think the Patriots will lose to the Steelers if they meet. I think they can beat the Ravens but they will be very tough to beat.

Anybody else, I think the Patriots will handle fairly easily.

Well you figure the Patriots win East and get a bye, Ravens win the North, Steelers get the wildcard, steelers beat whoever they play.. depending on the seeding, the Patriots first game of the playoffs could be the Steelers...

I just think what you're saying, and taking ONE game sample on top of it... doesn't make any sense... Pats small WRs have defeated the Steelers before, including multiple deep balls thrown to Welker and Branch previously... to say they NEED something to beat the Steelers is dumb

 

[killgod]

It doesn't neglect it at all. It points it out. Patriot fans feeling confident they can win this season, because they have won with out a stud WR before, ignores that the team isn't as good at OL(among other areas) as they were when they won it...when they didn't have a stud WR.

I'm not in denial that we aren't as talented at DE/LB/S/OL as we were with those teams. In some areas I don't think we are that far off, but I don't disagree there.

I don't think the OL is trash but some Pats fan here are refusing to look beyond the WR position as a comparison between now and when they won 3 SB's.

I agree that some do that.

I'm not even all aboard the grab a stud WR train..I'm just saying more thought needs to go into it than "Well we didn't have a stud WR when we won our other SB's"....Ok...but there are a lot more factors into those teams than having or not having a stud WR.

:yep: Although I wouldn't necessarily believe when someone responds saying "we don't need talented WR's to win the Super Bowl" doesn't necessarily insinuate "we also don't need as good of players on defence too" but I think we get each other on this point.

I think that's pretty stupid. But Ok.

I know I'd rather have a team that was a dropped INT, or a mcircus catch away from being the GOAT than a 9-3 football team.

I'll take a team that's built to execute over a team that tries to rely on big plays any day.

Offensively I don't even think the 2007 Patriots had a better lineup than the 2011 Patriots.

QB - Brady is Brady.
RB - 2011 easily
WR - Gotta go with 2007 because of what Moss did, but they aren't different out side of that
TE - 2011 easily
OL - 3/5 same starters with Waters replacing Neal and Solder repacing Kaczur. I guess 2007 gets a slight edge due to those 3 guys being younger? Meh, it's pretty close. The 2007 OL got beat around by some good DL's that year, Brady's quick delivery covered that up for the most part.


Why is the 2007 Patriots offence that much better? It was basically Moss being a hero but otherwise the talent level is deeper, more spread about in the 2011 offence. The 2007 Patriots easily, and in a couple cases should have, lost 2-4 games that season. Would they be considered this amazing GOAT team had they gone 12-4 yet posted basically the same offensive output? Nah. I think the mystique of going perfect is blowing things a bit out of proportion considering this year's team are again, basically 3 plays away from being perfect themselves.

 

[Houston]

Anybody else, I think the Patriots will handle fairly easily.

Not the Texans, bro.

 

[nflman2033]

Exactly.

These recent Patriots teams aren't built like the early 2000 versions at some pretty key areas that helped them win. It's easier to have a difference maker at the WR and RB position with one guy than it is to cobble and rebuild an OL and defense. Do the Patriot's "need" a better WR? Maybe. Maybe not. It sure as hell would be a luxury with the middling defense they have, the OL I'm not overly impressed with and a stable of running backs that can be lulz worthy at times.

I sure as hell know they'd rather have a player X with the skill set of Randy Moss from years ago than not have him.....and especially given the way the team is constructed right now. I can see it both ways...but simply saying they don't need one because when they had Moss they didn't win is ridiculously simple minded.

Then like I said isn't fixing the defense more important than a WR

 

[JOHNNYTHECLOWN]

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They lost the Super Bowl, but I think you'd have to be pretty mentally unstable to not say that the Pats weren't the best team in the NFL that season.

Isn't that what the Super Bowl determines ? The best team that season, THE CHAMPIONS of that season.

So what goes down in the books is the Giants were the best team that season. As much as it bothers me to say that.

Why would I want to field a team that doesn't execute on the biggest stage with everything on the line?

Sidenote: I dont do that hypothetical fag shit pulling teams outta their years and playing against other teams.. Times change, the game changes, offensive gimmicks and fads come and go. I honestly think the 07 team would have less success this year because so many teams duplicated what the Pats did that season.

But how many teams have two of the tight ends that are changing the position and the way defenses look at that position?

 

[killgod]

Isn't that what the Super Bowl determines ? The best team that season, THE CHAMPIONS of that season.

So what goes down in the books is the Giants were the best team that season. As much as it bothers me to say that.

Why would I want to field a team that doesn't execute on the biggest stage with everything on the line?

Sidenote: I dont do that hypothetical fag shit pulling teams outta their years and playing against other teams.. Times change, the game changes, offensive gimmicks and fads come and go. I honestly think the 07 team would have less success this year because so many teams duplicated what the Pats did that season.

I've always disagreed that the winner of the Super Bowl is the best team that season, I simply think it's moronic.

For me to say the 2001 Patriots were a better team than the 2001 Rams is just down right tomfoolery. We won the Super Bowl, we were better during thsoe 4 hours, but for that season they were the better team no doubt, well, the best team IMO.