Who has your vote for Heisman?

[Woy]

The more I ponder this, the more I can see how anyone could make a case for atleast 5 players [RGIII, Honey Badger, Montee Ball, Luck, Barkley]. Such a wide open race.

You can't make a case for Luck. Ball and Barkley, meh.

RG3 and Mathieu are the only two who deserve it in my mind.

 

[nesper]

when ball got hurt in the first wisky/msu game he missed one offensive series.

 

[Champ]

Russell Wilson

 

[NAHSTE]

Russell Wilson

:yao:

 

[West]

 

[NAHSTE]

Oh hai there it's me Passing Efficiency and I like RGIII more now.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

 

[Obst]

Richardson wins Heisman, Bama gets in the National Championship, ESPN is happy.

 

[Sportsbuck]

Since it's that time of year, here's a good place to keep track of the Heisman votes that writers/winners make public:

http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This year literally has no real deserving winners of the Heisman, but in that, you might actually get a real winner...not this "QB or RB from a Top 5 team that isn't really good" selection. Ala, the Jason White, Mark Ingram, Troy Smith, Eric Crouch type winner.

Griffin had a great season, but completely shitting the bed against Okie State leaves me "meh".
Luck had a great season and is the best player in CFB, but he didn't have a good game versus Oregon.
Richardson had a great season, but isn't the reason his team 11-1, and Montee Ball has a better resume as a running back despite being a cherry picker.
Case Keenum had an awful game versus Southern Miss.
Kellen Moore was the best QB in college football all season, but lets be honest, no one is voting for Kellen Moore nationally, unfortunately.
Brandon Weeden isn't the best player on his team (Blackmon is)
Barkley had a big season, but he wasn't lights out early on and plays for a team that doesn't matter.
Tyrann Matthieu makes a lot of plays and is a buzzsaw, but you need to be Charles Woodson to win the Heisman as a CB, and Matthieu can't cover like Woodson.
Russell Wilson will split votes with a guy on his own team (Ball).


I saw Luke Kuechly was getting some ESPN votes. lulz. He's good though.

All of these guys have warts...big warts.

 

[ralaw]

This year literally has no real deserving winners of the Heisman, but in that, you might actually get a real winner...not this "QB or RB from a Top 5 team that isn't really good" selection. Ala, the Jason White, Mark Ingram, Troy Smith, Eric Crouch type winner.

Griffin had a great season, but completely shitting the bed against Okie State leaves me "meh".
Luck had a great season and is the best player in CFB, but he didn't have a good game versus Oregon.
Richardson had a great season, but isn't the reason his team 11-1, and Montee Ball has a better resume as a running back despite being a cherry picker.
Case Keenum had an awful game versus Southern Miss.
Kellen Moore was the best QB in college football all season, but lets be honest, no one is voting for Kellen Moore nationally, unfortunately.
Brandon Weeden isn't the best player on his team (Blackmon is)
Barkley had a big season, but he wasn't lights out early on and plays for a team that doesn't matter.
Tyrann Matthieu makes a lot of plays and is a buzzsaw, but you need to be Charles Woodson to win the Heisman as a CB, and Matthieu can't cover like Woodson.
Russell Wilson will split votes with a guy on his own team (Ball).


I saw Luke Kuechly was getting some ESPN votes. lulz. He's good though.

All of these guys have warts...big warts.

What are your thoughts on Tyrann Mathieu ? He's seemed to have the big moments people like to see from a Heisman candidate.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

He's a playmaker, but not even considered the best CORNER on his own team.

 

[NAHSTE]

He's a playmaker, but not even considered the best CORNER on his own team.

That's because he's not a corner. But either way that's foolish criteria. He affects the game as a rover, causing havoc in the backfield, creating turnovers and on the side he's also making game changing punt returns. You are really going to not vote for him because Mo Claiborne has better coverage technique?

Dumb justification is dumb.

Anyway, RGIII is the no brainer choice. He single handedly made his program relevant and he also had the best statistical season of all the legit candidates. I think Mathieu should be a finalist though.

 

[FirstTimer]

RGIII

Honey Badger


Richardson

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

That's because he's not a corner. But either way that's foolish criteria. He affects the game as a rover, causing havoc in the backfield, creating turnovers and on the side he's also making game changing punt returns. You are really going to not vote for him because Mo Claiborne has better coverage technique?

Dumb justification is dumb.

Anyway, RGIII is the no brainer choice. He single handedly made his program relevant and he also had the best statistical season of all the legit candidates. I think Mathieu should be a finalist though.

While it is very easy to know when Andrew Luck throws a Pick 6 against Oregon and USC or to know when RGIII sucks against Okie State...not as easy for the GenPop to recognize when Honey Badger gets busted in coverage, which he has plenty this year.

A guy like Charles Woodson wins the Heisman because he shuts down an entire side of the field, dominates specials, makes big plays, and plays some offense. Honey Badger big time special teamer, playmaker on D, but lacks in some areas that he gets exposed (mainly in coverage).

Yes, he should win the Thorpe, no he shouldn't win or be considered for the Heisman.

Obvious homerism is obvious

 

[NAHSTE]

While it is very easy to know when Andrew Luck throws a Pick 6 against Oregon and USC or to know when RGIII sucks against Okie State...not as easy for the GenPop to recognize when Honey Badger gets busted in coverage, which he has plenty this year.

A guy like Charles Woodson wins the Heisman because he shuts down an entire side of the field, dominates specials, makes big plays, and plays some offense. Honey Badger big time special teamer, playmaker on D, but lacks in some areas that he gets exposed (mainly in coverage).

Yes, he should win the Thorpe, no he shouldn't win or be considered for the Heisman.

Obvious homerism is obvious

Wait what? Mathieu should win the Thorpe award, given to the best defensive back in the country, even though he's not even a good DB? What?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Wait what? Mathieu should win the Thorpe award, given to the best defensive back in the country, even though he's not even a good DB? What?

Lack of top defensive backs in the country, my lad. He made enough defensive plays to win the award, despite his flaws in a down year at the positions that qualify.

 

[ralaw]

Since the most outstanding player who made plays in the biggest moments and is the most dynamic plays won't be considered (Mathieu) I vote for the player with the best stats.

Monty Ball

Having said that I'd be surprised if Richardson doesn't win it.RGIII would be second, but I have a hard time believing people have seen him enough.

 

[NAHSTE]

Lack of top defensive backs in the country, my lad. He made enough defensive plays to win the award, despite his flaws in a down year at the positions that qualify.

But you just finished saying that Claiborne was better. Shouldn't Claiborne win the Thorpe if he is indeed the best defensive back in the country?

 

[KNUBB]

When has Mathieu got busted in coverage? The only game that comes to mind where Mathieu had a "bad" game was Tennessee when Da'Rick Rogers used his size to manhandle him and he only got 3 catches :yao:

 

[NAHSTE]

Mathieu just named SEC DPOY as a true sophomore. But hey, he's not Heisman material.

Richardson was named OPOY.