Why Oklahoma State is more deserving of a title shot than Bama

[Bear Pand]

Why does the Air Force coach have such a hate on for OSU to put them fifth? BEHIND TWO LOSS ARKANSAS?

Where is the accountability in this system? There isn't any. The media will bitch and complain this season, and we'll be right back there again next season. If anything I hope this poll is enough to Pickens to go raise a shitstorm and try and get something done for real

There's no accountability because instead of going after people that are truly responsible all you ever hear is empty arguments like:

Well, considering a fucking computer chooses our title contenders, it makes perfect fucking sense in that none of it makes sense.

Like there's some evil supercomputers behind the scenes ruining everything. This isn't I Robot, the Matrix, or Smart House. Like has been already pointed out the human polls are more to blame. Computer polls aren't great either but if people actually want change there needs to be more of a focus on the people behind it, instead of the "computers."

My favorite thing was Saban going on ESPN talking about how great OK State was, knowing full well he put them behind a 11-1 Stanford team in his coaching poll ballot. Then he tries to put the blame on the "system" like we're all too stupid to realize that he's a part of why the system messes up. And SMH at Les Miles, Saban and Stanford all getting votes while Gundy doesn't.

 

[ralaw]

You can't blame coaches for voting in a way that benefits their team. In a way it is the system that dictates how these coaches have to vote in order to put their team in the best situation. In the end there is a lot of money at stake, so you know which way coaches will vote.

 

[Bear Pand]

Coaches deliberately voting in a way that benefits their team/conference is rigging the sytem. The BCS doesn't dictate that they do this, they're just being self serving and dishonest. If that's how the the coaches are going to behave then they should not have a say in the process.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Computer polls aren't great either but if people actually want change there needs to be more of a focus on the people behind it, instead of the "computers."

People want a playoff, they dont care about tweaks to refine the current shitty system which leaves out good teams no matter who is selected.

 

[ralaw]

Coaches deliberately voting in a way that benefits their team/conference is rigging the sytem. The BCS doesn't dictate that they do this, they're just being self serving and dishonest. If that's how the the coaches are going to behave then they should not have a say in the process.

Its called working within the system. I'm not saying its not being self serving or dishonest, but what do you expect them to do? The system does dictate it, because it obviously rewards this sort of voting.....if it didn't they wouldn't do it. Why would Saban vote OSU high if that hurts his team? The same goes for any other coach who isn't in line for a BCS game.....their allegiance is going to be to their conference, as that makes them look better and get them more money. I have no issues with coaches losing the opportunity to vote, but as long as they do this is what is going to happen and you have to expect it. I'm actually surprised people are surprised or upset about it.

Chris Peterson:

He admitted he voted in Boise State’s interest.

“I haven’t seen any of the voting,” he said. “I know how I voted and I know what I’m trying to do, which is make the best case for Boise State to get in there, so I probably shouldn’t be a voter.”


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[Bear Pand]

“I haven’t seen any of the voting,” he said. “I know how I voted and I know what I’m trying to do, which is make the best case for Boise State to get in there, so I probably shouldn’t be a voter.”

exactly

 

[Bear Pand]

People want a playoff, they dont care about tweaks to refine the current shitty system which leaves out good teams no matter who is selected.

So?

If we suddenly had a 4,8,16,whatever team playoff and the BCS poll was used to choose the teams you'd be fine with coaches rigging their part of the vote and cheating teams out of playoff spots?

Almost every playoff model I've seen has used the polls to determine who gets in and/or seeding so this kind of thing is going to be a problem regardless of whether it's what we have currently or a playoff.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

So?

If we suddenly had a 4,8,16,whatever team playoff and the BCS poll was used to choose the teams you'd be fine with coaches rigging their part of the vote and cheating teams out of playoff spots?

Almost every playoff model I've seen has used the polls to determine who gets in and/or seeding so this kind of thing is going to be a problem regardless of whether it's what we have currently or a playoff.

No i wouldnt want the coaches to vote, but you made it sound like if the "change" people should want is to take away coaches from voting, as if the system would be fine & everyone would be happy. The system would still suck even if the coaches dont vote.

 

[FirstTimer]

So?

If we suddenly had a 4,8,16,whatever team playoff and the BCS poll was used to choose the teams you'd be fine with coaches rigging their part of the vote and cheating teams out of playoff spots?

Almost every playoff model I've seen has used the polls to determine who gets in and/or seeding so this kind of thing is going to be a problem regardless of whether it's what we have currently or a playoff.

:drunk:

 

[mgoblue2290]

So?

If we suddenly had a 4,8,16,whatever team playoff and the BCS poll was used to choose the teams you'd be fine with coaches rigging their part of the vote and cheating teams out of playoff spots?

Almost every playoff model I've seen has used the polls to determine who gets in and/or seeding so this kind of thing is going to be a problem regardless of whether it's what we have currently or a playoff.

Its better than what we have now. If there is a playoff than Okie State gets their shot. Obviously there will always be flaws if the BCS is used in any regard but as I have stated before, I'd rather argue over the last two teams in, than the situation we have currently.

 

[DSpydr84]

So?

If we suddenly had a 4,8,16,whatever team playoff and the BCS poll was used to choose the teams you'd be fine with coaches rigging their part of the vote and cheating teams out of playoff spots?

Almost every playoff model I've seen has used the polls to determine who gets in and/or seeding so this kind of thing is going to be a problem regardless of whether it's what we have currently or a playoff.

I think the argument there though is that people would rather have the 5th/9th/17th team get screwed as opposed to the 3rd.

But as you said, either way there's controversy. How do they do it in D-II?

 

[FirstTimer]

Starting in 2010, the FCS playoff format will change. The tournament field will be expanded from 16 to 20 teams, and the Big South Conference and Northeast Conference will have automatic qualifiers, as well as two more at-large berths.

Auto Bids for Conference Champs
-Big Sky Conference
-Colonial Conference
-Mid East Athletic Conference
-Missouri Valley Conference (formerly the Gateway Conference)
-Ohio Valley Conference
-Patriot League
-Southern Conference
-Southland Conference
-Big South Conference
- Northeast Conference
(The SWAC and Ivy League do not participate in the FCS Playoff tournament)



The top 12 seeded teams in the FCS tournament will be awarded a bye week, while teams seeded 13-20 will play off to narrow the field to 16 teams. The FCS Semifinals will be played the third week of December (when the FCS Championship game has historically been played), and the FCS National Championship will be played the night before the BCS National Championship at a site TBD in early January.

 

[mgoblue2290]

A conference winner format would work for me too but we have to figure out what conferences should be included. I think the remains of the Big East should combine with the best of the ACC. So then you'd have the Big 12 getting a bid, the Big 10, the ACC-Big East hybrid, the SEC, and the Pac 12. Then you have 3 at large bids and you've got your 8 team playoff.

Also, drop the regular season down to 11 games by eliminating an OOC game.

 

[Bear Pand]

Also, drop the regular season down to 11 games by eliminating an OOC game.

Tell teams no more OOC games vs FCS schools, poof there's a game.