Winter Olympics 2010 Thread

[nesper]

- the medal debate. It's stupid. Canada setting a record of 14 gold medals is fantastic. American fans will bring out the more medals argument, which is valid. However, as of those Olympics America was the only country who ranked by total medals and not by gold. The BBC and most other international sources have Canada as the top ranked country (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/vancouver_2010/default.stm).

I can only assume that if the US had more golds and not total medals, American sites would adapt this criteria as well.

i dont care to get in the medal debate either but there is one major flaw with your argument.

http://www.vancouver2010.com/

Medal standings by the OFFICIAL website of these olympics is done by medal count, not by gold medal count. so the rankings the US media outlets use is the official rankings unlike the other countries who go by gold medals.

 

[calgaryballer]

U.S. - 9G, 15S, 13B = 37 Total Medals
Canada - 14G, 7S, 5B = 26 Total Medals

If you want to look at it how the Olympics should do it (3 points for Gold, 2 points for Silver, 1 point for Bronze) this is how it looks..

U.S. - 27G, 30S, 13B = 70 Total Pts
Canada - 42G, 14S, 5B = 61 Total Pts

I'm not sure if you read anything I posted, but all credit to the US for getting more medals. Breaking (shattering?) the record for most golds by a home nation (more than the US) is a pretty big story though.

If the same thing had happened at Salt Lake, and Canada had more medals, while the US had more gold, the story would be the same. I hope no one pretends different.

 

[calgaryballer]

i dont care to get in the medal debate either but there is one major flaw with your argument.

http://www.vancouver2010.com/

Medal standings by the OFFICIAL website of these olympics is done by medal count, not by gold medal count. so the rankings the US media outlets use is the official rankings unlike the other countries who go by gold medals.

When the Olympics were in Beijing it was done by golds.

http://en.beijing2008.cn/#

It's entirely dependent on persepective. I'm sure if VANOC saw it going this way, they may had adjusted the criteria. When it's in Russia, and Canada tops the table again (hopefully) will your argument be invalid?

America (and now Canada) are the only nations who view medal tables by totals and not by golds. Frankly, I don't care. It's more the fact that Americans are using this total medal argument, which I concede, when much of the worlds population view the table in an entirely different way

 

[wr50l]

Don't worry guys wr50l is here to offer a neutral perspective.

Gold medals are always better than silver or bronze. Quit making up shitty points systems to justify 2nd and 3rd places being better than 1st. These athletes don't train for 4 years to be second highest on the podium.

 

[Sharkweather]

Lolscotland.

 

[leaffan]

Sick game. What a way to end the olympics in Canada.

Now I get to go back to watching my leafs

 

[nesper]

When the Olympics were in Beijing it was done by golds.

http://en.beijing2008.cn/#

It's entirely dependent on persepective. I'm sure if VANOC saw it going this way, they may had adjusted the criteria. When it's in Russia, and Canada tops the table again (hopefully) will your argument be invalid?

America (and now Canada) are the only nations who view medal tables by totals and not by golds. Frankly, I don't care. It's more the fact that Americans are using this total medal argument, which I concede, when much of the worlds population view the table in an entirely different way

http://www.torino2006.it/ENG/IDF/MDL/MDL_Big.html
by total medals

athens and salt lake websites seem to be abandoned

 

[calgaryballer]

http://www.torino2006.it/ENG/IDF/MDL/MDL_Big.html
by total medals

athens and salt lake websites seem to be abandoned

Learn to count. Why is Korea ahead of Switzerland? Or Russia ahead of Canada? They only have total medals counts on the side, 'Rank Final' is by golds

 

[nesper]

Learn to count. Why is Korea ahead of Switzerland?

my bad i only looked at the top 3

 

[wr50l]

http://www.torino2006.it/ENG/IDF/MDL/MDL_Big.html
by total medals

Quite clearly ranked by # of golds. Don't know if you are drunk, or high, or deluded, or blind?

 

[nesper]

anyway you slice it the US or canada do not have anything to be ashamed of both countries won a shit ton of medals.

 

[calgaryballer]

Entirely agreed

 

[Ravin]

I hope these games helped people (americans mostly) love hockey more. This was the perfect thing for the game and Bettmen better see that. He couldn't have asked for a better storyline for his league. Not only does he get a comeback, but also gets an OT gold medal game, and his poster boy Crosby gets the winner.

 

[Woy]

Crosby should have saved that goal against Miller for Tuesday.

 

[mobbdeep1122]

I hope these games helped people (americans mostly) love hockey more. This was the perfect thing for the game and Bettmen better see that. He couldn't have asked for a better storyline for his league. Not only does he get a comeback, but also gets an OT gold medal game, and his poster boy Crosby gets the winner.

It was great for people who don't normally watch hockey, but that will quickly get ruined once these people watch Bettman's NHL and see nothing but a parade to the penalty box on weak calls that ruin the flow of the game.

Hopefully Bettman's dumbass realizes that the less the referees get involved, the better the game becomes. I fully expect the opposite to happen, however.

 

[Ravin]

I certainly loved watching the USA-Canada games, but watching hockey on TV just isn't the same to me as seeing it live. It'll always take a backseat to college bball and the NBA unless they can comke up with some kind of camera work that's much closer to the ice.

I'll be very upset if he doesn't allow NHL'ers in the Olympics in 2014. Canada-USA was great, and Russia will likely save face and show up for those games as well.

Camera will not change. I just can never see how hockey is so weird to people. Puck is small yes, but the action is fast. Oh well.

They will be in the Olympics. I say this because the NHLPA and the NHL get to do another fun contract session soon and that will be one of the points the NHLPA will want to get in the agreement. The players want to play for their country.

 

[Senser81]

U.S. - 9G, 15S, 13B = 37 Total Medals
Canada - 14G, 7S, 5B = 26 Total Medals

If you want to look at it how the Olympics should do it (3 points for Gold, 2 points for Silver, 1 point for Bronze) this is how it looks..

U.S. - 27G, 30S, 13B = 70 Total Pts
Canada - 42G, 14S, 5B = 61 Total Pts

The point system I propose is 5 for Gold, 3 for silver, 1 for Bronze. That is the point system used in Epyx's Winter Games for the C64!

US = 103 points
Canada = 96 points

 

[leaffan]

I certainly loved watching the USA-Canada games, but watching hockey on TV just isn't the same to me as seeing it live. It'll always take a backseat to college bball and the NBA unless they can comke up with some kind of camera work that's much closer to the ice.

I'll be very upset if he doesn't allow NHL'ers in the Olympics in 2014. Canada-USA was great, and Russia will likely save face and show up for those games as well.

See thats kinda funny to me. Basketball is right up there (probably close to baseball) for a sport that will put me to sleep watching it on tv.

College sports I just don't like.