The Trade Deadline Thread

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

@ the Rockies

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18548834

No Thanks, LOL.

The likelihood for Devin Mesoraco to become the next Dioner Navarro is at 85%, the next Jeff Mathis at 65%.

Either way, the likelihood of this kid being a stud, especially when you have two other highly regarded catchers in the system makes no sense to not trade him for a known commodity IF you are trying to make a legit run this year.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Ya'll be laff laff laff'ing...but watch 75% of these "A prospects" turn into bums or middle relievers.

The Mets were victims of this shit for years.

"No way, we aren't going to give up Lastings Milledge for a prime Jake Peavy or prime Alfonso Soriano...we'll keep this bum and do nothing with him until we trade him for bums"

"You want to include Ferny Martinez in a trade for Roy Halladay? NO THANKS!" says the Mets.

Ubaldo Jimenez is a mediocre pitcher who had one good half of one season.

So yeah, anyone who gives up prime prospects for that guy is lost. You'd be better served using those parts for a better player, or letting the kids develop and see what happens.

[Obst]

Rockies talks w Reds would involve at least 1 pitcher coming back. Rox have asked about Bailey and chapman - Troy Renck of the Denver Post

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Ubaldo Jimenez is a mediocre pitcher who had one good half of one season.

So yeah, anyone who gives up prime prospects for that guy is lost. You'd be better served using those parts for a better player, or letting the kids develop and see what happens.

If you go to the World Series and win it and Ubaldo is apart of the rotation that got you there, you don't care who you give up.

The Marlins gave up Adrian Gonzalez (a premier prospect) many moons ago for UGGIE URBINA (a good but not great relief pitcher)...and there isn't a single motherfucker in Miami that would ever re-do that trade. They take Uggie and smile. Gonzalez is one of the best 1B and players in all of baseball and Uggie is in jail somewhere.

However, Uggie was vital to winning the World Series for the Marlins. They don't win it without him so no one would ever re-do that trade.

Prospects in baseball are overrated commodities when it comes to value.

Heard this on a BA podcast a while ago. Most teams "Top 10" prospects on any given year has on average 6 pitchers. 1 of those on average, is good enough to be a low end starter (never mind a premier starter). 1 will become a reliever if not already of varying quality. The other four will max out at AAA or less and never be heard from again.

Ubaldo may not be an elite pitcher and might be second tier, but if you are making a playoff run, I take Ubaldo over a catcher and a minor league pitcher, especially when you have a lot of catchers and a lot of arms that are highly regarded.

Just like these teams getting cheap on Beltran. Do you want a guy that will come in and solidify a position for you, if even for a two month rental? If yes, give us something. If you want to get cheap...bye.

The Braves in this case are particularly dumb because they have a PLETHORA of pitching talent that will surely never be used.

Maybe its because the Mets are a divisional rival, but at the end of the day, sometimes you need to dance with the devil to put you over the top.

[Warner2BruceTD]

If you go to the World Series and win it and Ubaldo is apart of the rotation that got you there, you don't care who you give up.

The Marlins gave up Adrian Gonzalez (a premier prospect) many moons ago for UGGIE URBINA (a good but not great relief pitcher)...and there isn't a single motherfucker in Miami that would ever re-do that trade. They take Uggie and smile. Gonzalez is one of the best 1B and players in all of baseball and Uggie is in jail somewhere.

However, Uggie was vital to winning the World Series for the Marlins. They don't win it without him so no one would ever re-do that trade.

Prospects in baseball are overrated commodities when it comes to value.

Heard this on a BA podcast a while ago. Most teams "Top 10" prospects on any given year has on average 6 pitchers. 1 of those on average, is good enough to be a low end starter (never mind a premier starter). 1 will become a reliever if not already of varying quality. The other four will max out at AAA or less and never be heard from again.

Ubaldo may not be an elite pitcher and might be second tier, but if you are making a playoff run, I take Ubaldo over a catcher and a minor league pitcher, especially when you have a lot of catchers and a lot of arms that are highly regarded.

Just like these teams getting cheap on Beltran. Do you want a guy that will come in and solidify a position for you, if even for a two month rental? If yes, give us something. If you want to get cheap...bye.

The Braves in this case are particularly dumb because they have a PLETHORA of pitching talent that will surely never be used.

Maybe its because the Mets are a divisional rival, but at the end of the day, sometimes you need to dance with the devil to put you over the top.

But it's not a C and a minor league pitcher. The deal in question was the catcher (Mesoraco), Aroldis Chapman, and Chris Heisey....plus others. GTFO, that trade is terrible, and is the precise reason the Rockies are having so much trouble unloading this guy.

I wouldn't even do Chapman & Heisey, let alone throwing in Mesoraco and other pieces. If you are going to trade guys of that caliber, you need more back than Ubaldo f'n Jimenez, regardless of how much you value prospects.

[FirstTimer]

But it's not a C and a minor league pitcher. The deal in question was the catcher (Mesoraco), Aroldis Chapman, and Chris Heisey....plus others. GTFO, that trade is terrible, and is the precise reason the Rockies are having so much trouble unloading this guy.

Who are you to judge the way the Reds want to possibly run their team?

/W2B in chatbox about the MVPete trade

[Warner2BruceTD]

Rockies talks w Reds would involve at least 1 pitcher coming back. Rox have asked about Bailey and chapman - Troy Renck of the Denver Post

I'm not convinced Ubaldo is any better than Bailey moving forward.

Ubaldo: 4.20 ERA, 1.336 WHIP, 2.47 k/bb

Bailey: 3.67 ERA, 1.190 WHIP, 2.63 k/bb

Ubaldo is also two years older and is more expensive.

The Rockies are asking for players who are better than the guy they are giving up. Again, they aren't serious about moving this guy. They are hoping someone overpays, and I hope it won't be the Reds. He's not an ace.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The "others" are probably legitimate junk, as they always are in baseball trades...farm system clutter, as I like to think.

Chapman is the only piece to that puzzle that looks to have some kind of value to the team right now.

Its not too much...I'd say the same thing if they were looking at Derek Lowe or Ted Lilly instead of Ubaldo.

Starting pitching is VITAL to a playoff run, even more so the deeper you go. Every starting pitcher is magnified times ten. Every reliever times 50.

I'm just saying, if the Reds, or ANY team is looking to upgrade for a pitcher, some prospects, unless you're really hard up for them, should not stop you from getting that pitcher.

The name is irrelevant.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Who are you to judge the way the Reds want to possibly run their team?

/W2B in chatbox about the MVPete trade

not sure if trolling, but not even close to being the same

[Warner2BruceTD]

The "others" are probably legitimate junk, as they always are in baseball trades...farm system clutter, as I like to think.

Chapman is the only piece to that puzzle that looks to have some kind of value to the team right now.

Its not too much...I'd say the same thing if they were looking at Derek Lowe or Ted Lilly instead of Ubaldo.

Starting pitching is VITAL to a playoff run, even more so the deeper you go. Every starting pitcher is magnified times ten.

I'm just saying, if the Reds, or ANY team is looking to upgrade for a pitcher, some prospects, unless you're really hard up for them, should not stop you from getting that pitcher.

The name is irrelevant.

I'm done with this.

[Rudi]

The trade in question is not Mesaraco and another P or whatever. They are asking for HEISEY and CHAPMAN. Heisey has the chance to be an every day starter in LF with gold glove caliber defense. And who knows how high the ceiling on Chapman is. Giving up Mesoraco and Alonso is not the problem, we are willing to do that. Its giving up 2 big pieces of our CURRENT Major League roster that is just stupid.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I don't see the reds overtaking the 3 teams in front of them right now. If the situation is different on Sunday you might see them pull the trigger on a starter. If the situation is the same right now I would stand pat and let the kids develop. Alonso is definitely trade-able though with Votto blocking him.

Alonso has been playing OF for months now.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The trade in question is not Mesaraco and another P or whatever. They are asking for HEISEY and CHAPMAN. Heisey has the chance to be an every day starter in LF with gold glove caliber defense. And who knows how high the ceiling on Chapman is. Giving up Mesoraco and Alonso is not the problem, we are willing to do that. Its giving up 2 big pieces of our CURRENT Major League roster that is just stupid.

I've stated many times that I would do Alonso, Mesoraco, and whoever else Tampa would want from the system for Shields.

For Ubaldo? No.

Rockies tried the same tactic with the Yankees, asking for a ridiculous package, and the Yankees told them to get lost, too.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Alonso has been playing OF for months now.

Larry, just stop.

He's been trying to play the OF for months now. He's terrible at it.

If Alonso could effectively play LF, he'd be doing it for the Reds right now. The Reds are desperate for an everyday LF right now who can hit.

[Rudi]

Alonso has been playing OF for months now.

Alonso is NOT an outfielder. Let that be clear. No matter what he has been playing in AAA, he is not an adequate defensive option in the OF. 1B is his position.