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[Saluki]

Actually Eddie Royal was one of the higher touted prospects in last years class, the only reason he dropped into the 2nd round was because of his height.

[FirstTimer]

Actually Eddie Royal was one of the higher touted prospects in last years class, the only reason he dropped into the 2nd round was because of his height.

I would disagree. Most sites for the draft had him projected in the 3rd round or later but he snuck into the 2nd because of his prowess in the return game and some great combine numbers. I wouldn't call him "highly touted" when he was the 5th WR off the board in a weak WR class.

*EDIT. Looking over old draft websites I'm having a hard time finding one with Royal ranked in the Top 10 WR's for last year's draft. Most have him ranked 3rd-5th Rd and between 10-15 at the position. One I found has him ranked as the 9th best WR prospect in the draft and that's as high as I can find him ranked.

[Saluki]

I would disagree. Most sites for the draft had him projected in the 3rd round or later but he snuck into the 2nd because of his prowess in the return game and some great combine numbers. I wouldn't call him "highly touted" when he was the 5th WR off the board in a weak WR class.

*EDIT. Looking over old draft websites I'm having a hard time finding one with Royal ranked in the Top 10 WR's for last year's draft. Most have him ranked 3rd-5th Rd and between 10-15 at the position. One I found has him ranked as the 9th best WR prospect in the draft and that's as high as I can find him ranked.

Good for you u can research, but for every Eddie Royal there's a Limas Sweed, a Dexter Jackson, a Mario Manningham, or a Jerome Simpson, expecting any Rookie WR to come in and half an immidiate impact is a stretch at best, especially if your expecting him to fill the #1 role.

Having Brandon Marshall on the other side of him didn't hurt Royal either

[Saluki]

If the bears Draft a rookie that catches 50 balls gets 800 or so yards and 6-7 TD's ill buy you a soda at the end of the season.

Pinky Promise

[FirstTimer]

Good for you u can research

Shame on you and your lack of it.

LOL at getting all butthurt that you made an obviously false statement, I called you on it, and you get all pissy about it.

but for every Eddie Royal there's a Limas Sweed, a Dexter Jackson, a Mario Manningham, or a Jerome Simpson, expecting any Rookie WR to come in and half an immidiate impact is a stretch at best, especially if your expecting him to fill the #1 role.

I'm not expecting him to fill the #1 role because the Bears say Hester is their #1, or are at least treating him as such. The role this WR would need to fill would be to be a big red zone target who can go up and win tough balls in traffic. Not be a #1...this year.

Having Brandon Marshall on the other side of him didn't hurt Royal either

Neither did having a Pro-Bowl QB throwing to him either. Hester will help other WR's now with Cutler being a legit deep ball thrower. It will help clear out underneath coverage and draw safety help opening up chances for Bennett and our rookie WR.

[Saluki]

Shame on you and your lack of it.

LOL at getting all butthurt that you made an obviously false statement, I called you on it, and you get all pissy about it.

You need to chill, i dunno how u figure i was getting upset/pissy cuz i said 3 words, and as far as having a pro-bowl QB making him better im sure it did, but having a top 5 WR on the other side i think helps you just as much if not more, Take Kevin Walter, he put up almost 1000 yards and 8 TD's and it wasn't cuz Matt Schaub/Sage Rosenfelds are so amazing, it's cuz Andre Johnson commands the attention of the defense, just like Marshall, Moose had something like 1000 yards, not cuz Jake Delhomme is amazing, but cuz Steve Smith commands the attention of a defense. Nothing helps out a mediocre WR more than having an Elite WR on the other side of the field.

[FirstTimer]

You need to chill, i dunno how u figure i was getting upset/pissy cuz i said 3 words

Ok slugger. Sorry if I mistook your pissy little sarcasm as just that.

Next time you make a statement about a player make sure you are correct.

Eddie Royal a highly touted prospect LOL

and as far as having a pro-bowl QB making him better im sure it did, but having a top 5 WR on the other side i think helps you just as much if not more

And who helped make Brandon Marshall into a Top 5 WR? Who the hell cared about Brandon Marshall before Cutler started chucking him passes? Marshall was a 4th Rd WR out of Central Florida.

Take Kevin Walter, he put up almost 1000 yards and 8 TD's and it wasn't cuz Matt Schaub/Sage Rosenfelds are so amazing, it's cuz Andre Johnson commands the attention of the defense, just like Marshall, Moose had something like 1000 yards, not cuz Jake Delhomme is amazing, but cuz Steve Smith commands the attention of a defense. Nothing helps out a mediocre WR more than having an Elite WR on the other side of the field.

Gee ya think? Or I could point out that having an elite QB can make average WR's much better. I could point out whata guy like Marino did for his average WR corp in Miami, same with Elway his earlier seasons with the Broncos, etc.

I never even disagreed that having Marshall helped Royal. So I don't even know what point you are trying to make about Royal/Marshall/Cutler anymore. Having both Marshall and Cutler both helped Royal. No shit huh?

You've completely flipped your argument.

My original point was Cutler helps average WR's become better. I cited Eddie Royal.

Your proceed to tell me that Eddie Royal was a "highly touted prospect" thus saying Royal didn't really succeed because of Cutler, but because he was expected to do good anyways.

I point out the falsehood in your statement showing that Royal was not a highly touted prospect thus reaffirming my point that Cutler helped make an average prospect WR better.

You then say that it helped to have Brandon Marshall on the other side of Royal..which I didn't disagree with. Then again Marshall was a lightly regarded 4th Rd pick...so who helped make Marshall what he is?

So what's your point/argument? The Bears shouldn't take a WR in the 2nd Rd? Cutler doesn't make average WR's better as I orginally stated? Royal was or wasn't a highly touted prospect? Brandon Marshall wasn't a 4th Rd pick? The Bears should sign an elite WR? The Cutler trade was a mistake? You have no idea what you are talking about? Come on. Clafify.

[Saluki]

Ok slugger. Sorry if I mistook your pissy little sarcasm as just that.

Next time you make a statement about a player make sure you are correct.

Eddie Royal a highly touted prospect LOL


And who helped make Brandon Marshall into a Top 5 WR? Who the hell cared about Brandon Marshall before Cutler started chucking him passes? Marshall was a 4th Rd WR out of Central Florida.



Gee ya think? Or I could point out that having an elite QB can make average WR's much better. I could point out whata guy like Marino did for his average WR corp in Miami, same with Elway his earlier seasons with the Broncos, etc.

I never even disagreed that having Marshall helped Royal. So I don't even know what point you are trying to make about Royal/Marshall/Cutler anymore. Having both Marshall and Cutler both helped Royal. No shit huh?

You've completely flipped your argument.

My original point was Cutler helps average WR's become better. I cited Eddie Royal.

Your proceed to tell me that Eddie Royal was a "highly touted prospect" thus saying Royal didn't really succeed because of Cutler, but because he was expected to do good anyways.

I point out the falsehood in your statement showing that Royal was not a highly touted prospect thus reaffirming my point that Cutler helped make an average prospect WR better.

You then say that it helped to have Brandon Marshall on the other side of Royal..which I didn't disagree with. Then again Marshall was a lightly regarded 4th Rd pick...so who helped make Marshall what he is?

So what's your point/argument? The Bears shouldn't take a WR in the 2nd Rd? Cutler doesn't make average WR's better as I orginally stated? Royal was or wasn't a highly touted prospect? Brandon Marshall wasn't a 4th Rd pick? The Bears should sign an elite WR? The Cutler trade was a mistake? You have no idea what you are talking about? Come on. Clafify.

Your going way off base, if you could fucking read my argument from the beginning is that the Bears should go and get a proven WR in FA rather than depending on a rookie to come in and shoulder a majority of the load, which he would have to do because Hester is NOT a #1 WR no matter what the Bears say, Just cuz u have a little NFL shield under your name doesn't make u the authority on shit, just means u posted in every single thread.

And BTW i Promise you that Marshall still posts 1000+ yards and 8-9 TD regardless of who his QB is this season, u can quote me and bet on that. Just cuz you have an Elite QB doesn't mean it's going to make the WR better, and just because you don't have an Elite QB doesn't mean an Elite WR won't produce ala Andre and Calvin Johnson

[FirstTimer]

Your going way off base, if you could fucking read my argument from the beginning is that the Bears should go and get a proven WR in FA rather than depending on a rookie to come in and shoulder a majority of the load, which he would have to do because Hester is NOT a #1 WR no matter what the Bears say,

Well it matters what the Bears say sadly enough because he will be starting this year and for some reason the whole organization is behind him. This isn't some hypothetical world. Between Hester and Bennett and a rookie WR the rookie would no thave to "shoulder all the load".

What proven veteren NFL WR? Holt who has a gimpy knee? Harrison who has a gimpy knee and wants big money? Name the guy we should go out and get. I'd love to hear it.

Just cuz u have a little NFL shield under your name doesn't make u the authority on shit, just means u posted in every single thread.

Never claimed to be "the authority" just a more knowledgable poster than you. Don't get all pissy with me and redirect your frustration just because you get called out on your bullshit assertions and ideas.

And BTW i Promise you that Marshall still posts 1000+ yards and 8-9 TD

WHOA! Big bet that Marshall will average 62.5 ypg and .5 TDpg this year. Jeez. How is he not top 5 all time yet?

Just cuz you have an Elite QB doesn't mean it's going to make the WR better,

No shit? Really? I never said It was assured. I said "it can't hurt" to have an elite QB throwing to you to help make you better, or at least seem that way. Your simplistic bullshit is gettign tiring.

and just because you don't have an Elite QB doesn't mean an Elite WR won't produce ala Andre and Calvin Johnson

No duh really? Those guys are freaks. Then again I never mentioned the Bears having an elite WR so the entire context of the argument was that Cutler can help make average/medicore WR's better..ala what he did with Eddie Royal.

I guess I should use smaller statements when talking to you and try and simplify things for you.

Will Jay Cutler being QB help the Bears WR's become better? We can start there and build.

[FirstTimer]

You guys are both Bears' fans and want a solid WR.

Correct. Hopefully we can find a prospect like the "highly touted" Eddie Royal.

[FirstTimer]

Interesting thought I just had.

I was really wanting Boldin this offseason from the Cardinals. Had they made the trade for Boldin as early as I wanted them to we would not have been able to get Cutler obviously as the asking price is the same as it was for Cutler. A 1st and a 3rd in this years draft.

Now. Just for shits... Would the team have been better off with:

Orton2Boldin FTW and no picks in the 1st and 3rd round this year?

or

Cutler2???? FTW and no picks in the 1st and 3rd this year and 1st next season?

[FirstTimer]

Dont go down that road.

Personally, I'd rather have a proven QB with unproven WRs, than the other way around.

Just an interesting hypothetical to kill time between now and the draft.

[Saluki]

http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1412&play_clip=Y

Wanted to just post it, but HTML is turned off in this forum for some reason or other

[FirstTimer]

No idea what the Bears are doing in the draft on first glance....Will wait until I can step back and evaluate tomorrow to give my complete thoughts...

First impressions=not pleased.

[Saluki]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/26/bears-fail-in-bid-to-get-wr-boldin/

Bears tried to trade for Boldin. Cards declined but it's nice to see they are actively pursing a WR.

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo tried to trade his second-round draft pick to the Cardinals for Pro Bowl WR Anquan Boldin on Saturday, the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

The Cardinals initially were looking for a first- and a third-round pick for Boldin, but they were believed to have softened their stance. But it appears the 49th overall selection wasn’t enough to entice Arizona to deal Boldin. The Bears didn’t have a 2010 first-round pick to dangle, either, because of the Jay Cutler trade.

Angelo indicated there was no deal forthcoming for Boldin, according to the Sun-Times:

“I would assume [trade talks are dead],” Angelo said. “If it was going to happen, it would happen [Saturday]. How motivated they were or weren’t — they came out [asking for] a one and a three and there were things that I read, so I really don’t know what their thinking was.

“We’re always going to do our due diligence.”

The Sun-Times reports the Bears were looking for Brian Robiskie at No. 49, then traded out of the round after the Browns took the Ohio State wide receiver at No. 36.