Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[Maynard]

sadly, for you fools and this invalid argument, you cant strip away those 2 SB's. which is why he gets into the HOF

[Hasselbeck]

sadly, for you fools and this invalid argument, you cant strip away those 2 SB's. which is why he gets into the HOF

Eli will probably get in the HOF because of the two rings and the fact his last name is "Manning" and not "Smith" or something helps him too.

Doesn't make it deserving though.

[Warner2BruceTD]

sadly, for you fools and this invalid argument, you cant strip away those 2 SB's. which is why he gets into the HOF

kind of the point, dude...

[Warner2BruceTD]

I could count the number of people that have a Hall vote on one hand that use advanced numbers. With that said, his 2013 dropped most of his advanced numbers below average, when before this season, they were above it. I wouldn't even consider those numbers until his career is over. If he balls out next year, his advanced numbers will normalize and all of a sudden he's back in the picture? Stop.

Pro Bowls, 3 to 2 (neither have been an All-Pro, neither will be All-Decade)
Passing Yards will be nearly identical, as will touchdowns. Eli will throw more picks, but you overrate the significance of interceptions...TONS of Hall of Fame QBs have huge pick numbers. Nobody cares.
Both have two rings...both are superior payoff performers (both much better than their shoe in contemporaries).

Only five players have won TWO Super Bowl MVPs (Bradshaw, Montana, Starr, Brady...and Manning...the first four are shoe in HoF'rs). He has more yards than anyone who entered the league after 2000 (Brady and Brees, HoF'rs).

You are defying a shit load of common sense and logic with Manning. Too many numbers point to him as an easy shoe in playing with house money. Nevermind that he will probably play until he's 40 surpassing any and all projected career numbers...with time to still add ANOTHER Super Bowl (maybe) and some regular season hardware as well as improve upon his normalized career numbers which have been skewed after a really shitty season.

Again, I strongly disagree. His numbers are nothing special, maybe even below average. He's been one of the least efficient starters in the league his entire career. That's why you need to normalize, it shows just how mediocre he is.

If he gets in, and he may, it will be based on the two Super Bowls. Nothing more. Philip Rivers is the proof. Numbers that blow Eli out of the water, no comparison, open & shut, inarguable. Won't come close to the Hall of Fame. No rings.

[ram29jackson]

If Asante Samuel doesn't drop a pick.. Eli isn't sniffing this conversation.

If Tom Brady doesn't overthrow a WIDE open Wes Welker.. Eli isn't sniffing this conversation.

Yes, Eli has 2 rings.. and thats great.. but he was also two plays away from having 0 while giving Tom Brady 2 additional rings to what he already has.

That's the crux of W2B's argument here. If you strip away the 2 championships and look at the rest of his body of work.. hes pretty much what he is.. a QB that will get yards and make a bunch of jaw dropping mistakes.

LOL but he succeeded , what if doesn't means crappola. popularity in sports is based in moments you remember, its not about number crunching entirely.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

If Asante Samuel doesn't drop a pick.. Eli isn't sniffing this conversation.

If Tom Brady doesn't overthrow a WIDE open Wes Welker.. Eli isn't sniffing this conversation.

Yes, Eli has 2 rings.. and thats great.. but he was also two plays away from having 0 while giving Tom Brady 2 additional rings to what he already has.

That's the crux of W2B's argument here. If you strip away the 2 championships and look at the rest of his body of work.. hes pretty much what he is.. a QB that will get yards and make a bunch of jaw dropping mistakes.

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I've never seen a player have so many people discredit obvious shit then they do for Eli Manning. Ever since he was in college, people have jumped through countless hoops to discredit everything about the guy. If his name wasn't Manning, if he didn't go to Ole Miss, if he didn't go to the Giants, if something happens here or there he doesn't win TWO Super Bowls (TWO!!)...

[Primetime]

Has Eli been a top 5 active QB at any point in his career?

[Warner2BruceTD]

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I've never seen a player have so many people discredit obvious shit then they do for Eli Manning. Ever since he was in college, people have jumped through countless hoops to discredit everything about the guy. If his name wasn't Manning, if he didn't go to Ole Miss, if he didn't go to the Giants, if something happens here or there he doesn't win TWO Super Bowls (TWO!!)...

Yes, two Super Bowls. Great. That's fantastic.

Shouldn't automatically make him a hall of famer. That's the disconnect here. Magical ringz. We need to be more sophisticated than this and move beyond it. Why are we slaves to this shit?

RINGZ...MUST STOP THINKING NOW

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

If Eli makes it in, he is the worst Hall of Fame QB...if he doesn't make it in, he's the best non-Hall of Fame QB...a pretty damn fine line we're talking about here.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Yes, two Super Bowls. Great. That's fantastic.

Shouldn't automatically make him a hall of famer. That's the disconnect here. Magical ringz. We need to be more sophisticated than this and move beyond it. Why are we slaves to this shit?

RINGZ...MUST STOP THINKING NOW

It doesn't automatically make him a Hall of Famer...having numbers that will place him historically among the greats and his peers (stop using normalized statistics...no one else uses them...this isn't baseball or basketball) PLUS two Super Bowls (and Super Bowl MVPs) is what gets him in.

[Maynard]

Eli will probably get in the HOF because of the two rings and the fact his last name is "Manning" and not "Smith" or something helps him too.

Doesn't make it deserving though.

by whose standards does he not deserve it? by your own admission he gets into the hof...so wouldnt that mean he meets the standards for getting into the HOF.

kind of the point, dude...

then why are you arguing it? he deserves to be in based on what he has done, not based on the what ifs

[Primetime]

If Eli makes it in, he is the worst Hall of Fame QB...if he doesn't make it in, he's the best non-Hall of Fame QB...a pretty damn fine line we're talking about here.

Disagree. If he makes it, worst HoF QB...if he doesn't make it, most accomplished non-HoF QB.

[Maynard]

Yes, two Super Bowls. Great. That's fantastic.

Shouldn't automatically make him a hall of famer. That's the disconnect here. Magical ringz. We need to be more sophisticated than this and move beyond it. Why are we slaves to this shit?

RINGZ...MUST STOP THINKING NOW

you act like his rings were in spite of him. he wasnt the trent difler of his SB teams. they won those games because of him, not in spite of him

[ram29jackson]

figures, rams thinks he is a HOfer....i guess i was wrong.

rams thinks trent difer is an elite QB

any QB with SB ring is elite. I didn't say crap about hall of fame or stats. You do everything you need to do and do less of it wrong and surpass all others who want the same prize but you have it = you are elite for that year and moment in time !

[Maynard]

any QB with SB ring is elite. I didn't say crap about hall of fame or stats. You do everything you need to do and do less of it wrong and surpass all others who want the same prize but you have it = you are elite for that year and moment in time !

so based on this thinking i am an elite VSNer?