Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[Houston]

You need to re-evaluate your position when the criteria you champion most works against Peyton, and for Eli.

[Warner2BruceTD]

It doesn't automatically make him a Hall of Famer...having numbers that will place him historically among the greats and his peers (stop using normalized statistics...no one else uses them...this isn't baseball or basketball) PLUS two Super Bowls (and Super Bowl MVPs) is what gets him in.

How can you say "stop using the normalized statistics"? That's what shows he isn't any better than his peers. That's what shows his numbers aren't hall of fame worthy.

Who cares if he throws for 4,000 yards every year if there are a half dozen guys who throw for 4,800 or dudes going over 5,000 every year? That's the point here, man. You keep saying these numbers are hall of fame worthy. They aren't. Normalizing them proves it.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Disagree. If he makes it, worst HoF QB...if he doesn't make it, most accomplished non-HoF QB.

Who is better? Donovan McNabb? Ken Anderson?

They are considered the best non-Hall of Fame QBs...Eli's resume is much better.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Disagree. If he makes it, worst HoF QB...if he doesn't make it, most accomplished non-HoF QB.

Tie- Plunkett.

[Maynard]

You need to re-evaluate your position when the criteria you champion most works against Peyton, and for Eli.

wtf are you talking about? Peyton is a 1st ballot HOFer no question

[Warner2BruceTD]

Who is better? Donovan McNabb? Ken Anderson?

They are considered the best non-Hall of Fame QBs...Eli's resume is much better.

I'll take Ken Anderson over Eli without hesitation. Far, far superior player.

[Warner2BruceTD]

you act like his rings were in spite of him. he wasnt the trent difler of his SB teams. they won those games because of him, not in spite of him

Even if that is the case, he's still a barely better than average player. The hall of fame (should be) for great players.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

How can you say "stop using the normalized statistics"? That's what shows he isn't any better than his peers. That's what shows his numbers aren't hall of fame worthy.

Who cares if he throws for 4,000 yards every year if there are a half dozen guys who throw for 4,800 or dudes going over 5,000 every year? That's the point here, man. You keep saying these numbers are hall of fame worthy. They aren't. Normalizing them proves it.

By all means, show me...I dunno...five voters (?) that use these advanced numbers to validate their vote. I'll wait.

Meanwhile, the tried and true numbers that are used by Hall of Fame voters for generations hold up as Hall of Fame worthy. Career totals, Super Bowls, playoff performance...Pro Bowl numbers, All-Pro along with All-Decade don't hold up due to volume of QBs in his era...but I'll also assume he'll get a few more Pro Bowls before his career runs out.

[Houston]

wtf are you talking about? Peyton is a 1st ballot HOFer no question

I'll paraphrase so you can keep up....


Be skeptical of any criteria(in this case, Rings) that's used to argue in favor of Eli and Bradshaw, but against Peyton and Marino.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I'll paraphrase so you can keep up....


Be skeptical of any criteria(in this case, Rings) that's used to argue for Eli and Bradshaw, but against Peyton and Marino.

No one puts Eli and Bradshaw on the same level as Peyton and Marino, but Hall of Fame worthy doesn't use Peyton and Marino as a baseline.

#ringz are used to discredit Peyton and Marino when comparing them against the likes of Montana and Brady.

[Warner2BruceTD]

By all means, show me...I dunno...five voters (?) that use these advanced numbers to validate their vote. I'll wait.

Meanwhile, the tried and true numbers that are used by Hall of Fame voters for generations hold up as Hall of Fame worthy. Career totals, Super Bowls, playoff performance...Pro Bowl numbers, All-Pro along with All-Decade don't hold up due to volume of QBs in his era...but I'll also assume he'll get a few more Pro Bowls before his career runs out.

I have no idea how you can constantly rip the current era and ease of passing game and then trumpet Eli's career counting stat totals. Be consistent.

Again, and I don't know how you aren't comprehending this, but his totals aren't even impressive. He's never among the leaders in anything. Except INT's. He's incredibly inefficient on top of that.

[Glenbino]

Lulz?
He "could have" thrown for 3 TD's but what he did instead was throw 5 interceptions ,post historically bad QB ratings in the teens and twenties.
Yeah just a coincedence and weird happenstance he lost those games.

ELWAY DA BEST



Romanowski and Brister know what's up.

[Maynard]

I'll paraphrase so you can keep up....


Be skeptical of any criteria(in this case, Rings) that's used to argue in favor of Eli and Bradshaw, but against Peyton and Marino.

yeah, cant keep up...we are not talking about the goat here houstboi. try and keep up now

[Warner2BruceTD]

Seriously, i'm supposed to be impressed with Eli's 4,000 yards and 27 TD's when contemporaries like Peyton, Brady, Brees, Warner are throwing for 5,000+, and 40 or even 50 TD's?

Eli has thrown for 4,000+ yards three times, and has ONE FUCKING SEASON of 30 TD's.

And he does it while putting up sub 60% passing and QB ratings in the 80's.

Where are these impressive hall of fame level numbers? WHERE? Show me these great numbers. They don't exist.

[Primetime]

More deserving of the Hall of Fame: Tony Romo or Eli Manning?