Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[Warner2BruceTD]

What would Manning have to do, to qualify as greater than all, between now and the end of his career. Does he need to accomplish more, or just continue to play at a high level without accolades or titles.

Well, my mind is made up. He's the best ever. If i'm starting a team, and I have first pick, i'm starting my franchise with the best player at the most important position, and i'm taking Manning with little thought.

I don't get wrapped up in placing overloaded weight in SB titles. It's obviously important, and I believe you need at least one, but a bad throw in a SB dosent wipe away an entire resume of awesome.

To that point:

LET'S NOT FORGET THAT DAVID FULCHER DROPPED A GIMME INT FROM THE HANDS OF JOE MONTANA THAT WOULD HAVE ENDED THE GAME, so enough of this "Montana would never have thrown such a crucial pick" bullshit.


If (when) Manning wins another title(s), I won't even entertain a debate for anyone else.

[Archer]

I'm gonna stick to an INT regardless of slip. Watched it a few times and Porter is breaking on the ball before Wayne turns his head. I think even despite the slip, Manning threw it a fraction too early anyways. Just how I see it.


I think it really muddles up the situation with Manning playing the game a bit differently than most QB's. Is it the WR's fault they run the wrong pattern because they got confused with the complex audible scheme and/or didn't hear it? Is it the RB's fault they had a poor game because Manning chose to opt to run at the wrong times or not as often? This is where you would judge the coaching staff, not the QB.

I don't agree that you can hold it as a negative to a QB that doesn't do it, because they are out there being a QB which is all that is expected and what we are judging them on, being a QB. Manning is a QB and OC at the same time, which is an impressive addition to what he does but I don't believe we can hold it against a QB for not playing OC at the same time just because Manning does it.

It's a tough thing to look at and I'm really not sure how to conclude here.



What would Manning have to do, to qualify as greater than all, between now and the end of his career. Does he need to accomplish more, or just continue to play at a high level without accolades or titles.

I'm gonna stick to an INT regardless of slip. Watched it a few times and Porter is breaking on the ball before Wayne turns his head. I think even despite the slip, Manning threw it a fraction too early anyways. Just how I see it.

He should have passed to Collie underneath anyways. We've ran that play with alot of success this year and I think for once he locked on a little too much onto Reggie . I know Wayne was trying to take all the blame in his post-game interview but I blame them both

I think it really muddles up the situation with Manning playing the game a bit differently than most QB's. Is it the WR's fault they run the wrong pattern because they got confused with the complex audible scheme and/or didn't hear it? Is it the RB's fault they had a poor game because Manning chose to opt to run at the wrong times or not as often? This is where you would judge the coaching staff, not the QB.

Possibly ... but I will say this is the best our o-line has played all year run blocking wise . I just don't think we are talented enough on the o-line to run the ball consistently every game. I actually put the lack of being able to run on Polian more than anyone . While his make do approach has brought us amazing success ... it hurts us at other times.

What would Manning have to do, to qualify as greater than all, between now and the end of his career. Does he need to accomplish more, or just continue to play at a high level without accolades or titles

He's the greatest I've seen but I don't like to get into rankings . I would think he needs another superbowl and keep going at the current pace to be called the G.O.A.T in most peoples minds

[Bear Pand]

It would make sense if he can play that long. Favre broke Marino's TD record before setting the INT record. The point is that if you play long enough and at a high enough level, you are going to have all of the records including the bad ones.

True but I think he broke Marino's INT record before he broke his TD record. To Marino's credit he's at #2 in TDs but only #8 in INTs. (Right now Manning is #3 in TDs and #34 in INTs.)

When Favre got the all time INT record it was held by some guy named George Blanda. Whoever that is. :confused:

[FirstTimer]

True but I think he broke Marino's INT record before he broke his TD record. To Marino's credit he's at #2 in TDs but only #8 in INTs. (Right now Manning is #3 in TDs and #34 in INTs.)

When Favre got the all time INT record it was held by some guy named George Blanda. Whoever that is. :confused:

He got the TD record first. THe interception record happened a few games later.

[FedEx227]

Whoever that is?!!?!? LMAOOOOOOOO.... u suk.

That's my franchise QB, punter and kicker, so shut your damn mouth.

[MrBill]

True but I think he broke Marino's INT record before he broke his TD record. To Marino's credit he's at #2 in TDs but only #8 in INTs.

When he got the all time INT record it was held by some guy named George Blanda. Whoever that is. :confused:

He did pass Marino's INT record before he broke his TD record. Marino's INT percentage is at 3.0% for his caeer.

I am one of the people that thinks Marino was actually the best "pure QB" of all-time, he just got stuck with shitty team mates for most of his career. On the topic of GOAT though, you have to have championships and unfortunately he does not have any to bring to the discussion.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Well, my mind is made up. He's the best ever. If i'm starting a team, and I have first pick, i'm starting my franchise with the best player at the most important position, and i'm taking Manning with little thought.

I don't get wrapped up in placing overloaded weight in SB titles. It's obviously important, and I believe you need at least one, but a bad throw in a SB dosent wipe away an entire resume of awesome.

To that point:

LET'S NOT FORGET THAT DAVID FULCHER DROPPED A GIMME INT FROM THE HANDS OF JOE MONTANA THAT WOULD HAVE ENDED THE GAME, so enough of this "Montana would never have thrown such a crucial pick" bullshit.


If (when) Manning wins another title(s), I won't even entertain a debate for anyone else.

It wasnt David Fulcher, it was Lewis Billups.

Here's the play for you younger guys who seem to think Joe Montana was Mr. Perfect, because the back of his football card reads "4-0 in SB's".

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJFOBI1cZaM"]YouTube- Bengals' Lewis Billups drops interception in 1988 SuperBowl[/ame]

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And he was serious too. Because he spent like 4 more posts defending him.

Blanda could kick field goals. Manning can't.

Blanda > Manning.

Steve Spurrier is the best college QB of all-time then. And Tom Tupa is the NFL GOAT.

Did you know Tom Tupa averaged 40 yards per punt? I'd like to see Manning do that. Tom Tupa >>>> all

[Warner2BruceTD]

Steve Spurrier is the best college QB of all-time then. And Tom Tupa is the NFL GOAT.

Did you know Tom Tupa averaged 40 yards per punt? I'd like to see Manning do that. Tom Tupa >>>> all

Randall Cunningham has the longest punt in NFL history, so fuck Tom Tupa.

I would always check to see if Tupa had good punting stats in Madden. I used to love little things like that.

[Archer]

It wasnt David Fulcher, it was Lewis Billups.

Here's the play for you younger guys who seem to think Joe Montana was Mr. Perfect, because the back of his football card reads "4-0 in SB's".

YouTube- Bengals' Lewis Billups drops interception in 1988 SuperBowl

That's how it goes though . Manning goes from having a pretty good game to being mediocre and a choker because of one pick . Brees makes a very bad throw in the first half also but Bethea drops it and nobody says anything.

It's a very fine line when you are judging the GOAT purely off superbowls which imo is why it's such a stupid way to measure QB's. [I do think post-season play should be important but not everything]

The fact that this is even a debate when Manning has probably 4-5 good years ahead of him shows how good of a QB he has been/is

[ralaw]

I'm too young to have watched a prime Montana win all of those Superbowls, but one thing that I've never understood is why he always seems to escape being downgraded for "having talent around him" like we hear with other QB's.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm too young to have watched a prime Montana win all of those Superbowls, but one thing that I've never understood is why he always seems to escape being downgraded for "having talent around him" like we hear with other QB's.

He won 2 SB's without Jerry Rice, and 1 without Roger Craig, with guys like Freddie Solomon, Wendall Tyler, Dwight Clark, etc. Decent players, but not HOF caliber.

[FirstTimer]

He did pass Marino's INT record before he broke his TD record. Marino's INT percentage is at 3.0% for his caeer.

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I'm pretty sure he didn't.

Favre set the TD record Sept 30th 2007 @ Minnesota.

He set the INT mark Oct 14th 2007 vs Washington

My bad. You said "Marino's" I was thinking the record in general.

My fault.

[ralaw]

A fact that has nothing to do with this thread.

My father went to highschool (Donora High) with Ken Griffey Sr. and a few years later when Donora High merged with Ringgold High my mother went to highschool with Joe Montana.
Growing up I always thought that I was cool because of this.

[FirstTimer]

EDIT NVM.