Josh Freeman vs. Mark Sanchez

[BigBucs]

its cause freeman is black....either that or its cause you are black

Freeman is swirl. Black Daddy, White Mommy so it may very well be the latter :pb2:

[BigBucs]

wut

Why drag Bradford into this? I never even talk about Bradford around here.

But just for shits and giggles, one of these is Freeman's rookie season, the other is Bradford:

54%, 10/18 td/int, 59.8 rating, 3 wins
60%, 18/15 td/int, 76.5 rating, 7 wins



Freeman had a nice statistical season this year. I'd be willing to bet that he has peaked, and will never top those numbers again. How many times did Freeman toss up those ugly looking 50/50 balls, and Tampa came down with them? It became a running joke in the chatbox.

I drug Bradord into this because you are a Rams fan and my smugness says my QB is better than the peanut gallerys as well.

As for his rookie year, yea, tough sledding last season with no Steven Jackson to help. Freeman got a running game and things got a whole lot easier all of a sudden. Not to mention the statistic they threw out on playbook about %75 (give or take) of Bradords passes being throw 10 yards or shorter. Pretty hard to look awful taking that into consideration.

LOL at running joke about some over exaggerated shit in the CB, yo know better than that W2B. As if a running joke in the CB adds any credence to your argument. A dead horse cant catch a break in there.

[Maynard]

I don't think anyone is saying Freeman is ZOMG SO MUCH BETTAH CHEDDAH than Sanchez, just that the two are a lot closer than most would think (largely b/c the media sucks the NYJ's dick, and most football fans, as a whole, are retarded)... The two are on the same playing field, I just like Freeman's demeanor and skill set a whole lot more than I do Sanchez...

i think freeman is better. i think sanchez benefits from great talent around him. Sure sanchez has made some clutch plays and done a great job managing that team.

But imo, there is something to be said for elevating others players to a higher level and thats what freeman does. Sanchez seems to sleepwalk thru games at times only to wake up at the end and be lucky enough to still have a shot. But look at the title game....he didnt have the luck of the dee in that game and look what happened.....a 24-0 hill to climb. yeah he almost got them out of it

when a guy like freeman does it with no talent and a guy like sanchez doesnt do it with talent, who would you rather have? i take freeman

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't think anyone is saying Freeman is ZOMG SO MUCH BETTAH CHEDDAH than Sanchez, just that the two are a lot closer than most would think (largely b/c the media sucks the NYJ's dick, and most football fans, as a whole, are retarded)... The two are on the same playing field, I just like Freeman's demeanor and skill set a whole lot more than I do Sanchez...

Based on what?

What has Freeman done, within the same stratusphere, of beating Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, ON THE ROAD, in back to back weeks in the playoffs? Let's chalk all of that up to the Jets defense, though. The QB, the most important position on the field, has nothing to do with that. Explain what you have seen from Freeman, demeanor wise, that compares to that. And that's just this year. Sanchez won two road playoff games last year, too.

Go ahead and talk about Freeman's regular season combacks, and I can match you with Sanchez regular season comebacks. He had a bunch this year. If Freeman is "Captain Clutch", what does that make Sanchez? He does it in far more meaningful games.

Freeman looked like shit his rookie year, while Sanchez was winning on the road in January. Freeman was losing to the Lions, as a favorite, with his playoff life on the line, while Sanchez beats HOF QB's on the road in the playoffs as an underdog.

And you want to base your argument on "demeanor"? Be fair.

[Warner2BruceTD]

i think freeman is better. i think sanchez benefits from great talent around him. Sure sanchez has made some clutch plays and done a great job managing that team.

But imo, there is something to be said for elevating others players to a higher level and thats what freeman does. Sanchez seems to sleepwalk thru games at times only to wake up at the end and be lucky enough to still have a shot. But look at the title game....he didnt have the luck of the dee in that game and look what happened.....a 24-0 hill to climb. yeah he almost got them out of it

when a guy like freeman does it with no talent and a guy like sanchez doesnt do it with talent, who would you rather have? i take freeman

Does what?

[Atlas]

Based on what?

What has Freeman done, within the same stratusphere, of beating Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, ON THE ROAD, in back to back weeks in the playoffs? Let's chalk all of that up to the Jets defense, though. The QB, the most important position on the field, has nothing to do with that. Explain what you have seen from Freeman, demeanor wise, that compares to that. And that's just this year. Sanchez won two road playoff games last year, too.

Go ahead and talk about Freeman's regular season combacks, and I can match you with Sanchez regular season comebacks. He had a bunch this year. If Freeman is "Captain Clutch", what does that make Sanchez? He does it in far more meaningful games.

Freeman looked like shit his rookie year, while Sanchez was winning on the road in January. Freeman was losing to the Lions, as a favorite, with his playoff life on the line, while Sanchez beats HOF QB's on the road in the playoffs as an underdog.

And you want to base your argument on "demeanor"? Be fair.

His demeanor in leading an otherwise shit team to a 10 win season, that is the basis of my argument... The fact that you ignore the extreme advantages (at almost every position and coaching) Sanchez and the Jets have over Freeman and the Bucs, is baffling... I would hope someone of your intellect would be able to see the whole breakdown, as it is almost never as cut and dry as you are making it out to be... Regardless, I was just saying that I would pick Freeman over Sanchez if I had to choose between the two, so I don't know where all this Captain Clutch shit came from and the fact that you get so worked up over someone else's opinion...

Does what?

Wins 10 games with skill players that wouldn't even see PT if they were on any other NFL team...

[Warner2BruceTD]

So when the Jets totally awesome defense comes on the field with a lead, gets carved up like a turkey by Manning with under a minute left, and leaves the field behind, i'm supposed to chalk up the subsequent Sanchez game winning drive (including a fantastic throw to Edwards) to the overall talent of the team?

Sanchez had 6 game winning drives this season, all in instances when that great talented defense, that he is suposedly carried by, gave up a late lead. One was @ PIT, the best defense in the league. One was in the playoffs, @ IND. That, to me, is demeanor and makeup.

Freeman needs to do more that one good statistical year to stack up to what Sanchez has accomplished. Sanchez is hardly 'Trent Dilfer', he goes out and wins games, under adverse situations that Freeman hasnt even faced yet.

[BigBucs]

Based on what?

What has Freeman done, within the same stratusphere, of beating Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, ON THE ROAD, in back to back weeks in the playoffs? Let's chalk all of that up to the Jets defense, though. The QB, the most important position on the field, has nothing to do with that. Explain what you have seen from Freeman, demeanor wise, that compares to that. And that's just this year. Sanchez won two road playoff games last year, too.

Go ahead and talk about Freeman's regular season combacks, and I can match you with Sanchez regular season comebacks. He had a bunch this year. If Freeman is "Captain Clutch", what does that make Sanchez? He does it in far more meaningful games.

Freeman looked like shit his rookie year, while Sanchez was winning on the road in January. Freeman was losing to the Lions, as a favorite, with his playoff life on the line, while Sanchez beats HOF QB's on the road in the playoffs as an underdog.

And you want to base your argument on "demeanor"? Be fair.

You know what? You are right. The Bucs are every bit as experienced and as good as the Jets at every position, the only difference is Sanchez who is superior to Freeman and is the sole reason why the Jets managed to win 4 playoff games the past 2 years.

Wins 10 games with skill players that wouldn't even see PT if they were on any other NFL team...

Appreciate the rational but lets not go overboard....

[Warner2BruceTD]

You know what? You are right. The Bucs are every bit as experienced and as good as the Jets at every position, the only difference is Sanchez who is superior to Freeman and is the sole reason why the Jets managed to win 4 playoff games the past 2 years.

None of this has anything to do with demeanor.

[Atlas]

So when the Jets totally awesome defense comes on the field with a lead, gets carved up like a turkey by Manning with under a minute left, and leaves the field behind, i'm supposed to chalk up the subsequent Sanchez game winning drive (including a fantastic throw to Edwards) to the overall talent of the team?

Sanchez had 6 game winning drives this season, all in instances when that great talented defense, that he is suposedly carried by, gave up a late lead. One was @ PIT, the best defense in the league. One was in the playoffs, @ IND. That, to me, is demeanor and makeup.

Freeman needs to do more that one good statistical year to stack up to what Sanchez has accomplished. Sanchez is hardly 'Trent Dilfer', he goes out and wins games, under adverse situations that Freeman hasnt even faced yet.

Not once have I downplayed the significance of what Sanchez has done in those games, but you can not deny that the better coaching/players/front office that he has around him as furthered his confidence in being able to make those throws without consequence... However, in that win over Pitt that you include on Sanchez's docket, the Jets offense scored 13 points and 276 total yards against a defense missing its best player (as well as its heart and soul)... I'm just saying, its not as cut and dry as some of you guys make it out to be (but at least W2B isnt a stat whore like most of you retards)...

[Warner2BruceTD]

I keep hearing how Freeman carried this sad sack of shit Buccaneers team to 10 wins all by himself. So I checked out the stats...

TB had the 17th ranked passing offense in the NFL, and the 8th ranked rushing offense. Why no talk of L. Blount carrying this team to 10 wins?

Bucs also had a top ten defense in points allowed.

oh.

Freeman doesnt play for the 1976 Bucs. Stop.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Freeman had a 1,000 yard RB who averaged 5.0 ypc, a 60+ catch WR who caught 11 TD's, and a TE who nearly caught 70 balls.

Blunt, C. Williams, M. Williams, Winslow

LT, Greene, Holmes, Edwards

With that said, the Jets have slightly better skill players. The Jets scoring D was 6th, the Bucs 9th. Both teams had top 10 running games.

Enough of this myth that Freeman was playing with dogshit while Sanchez plays for the 1988 49ers. Sanchez plays for a slightly better team, in a much tougher conference.

[Atlas]

I keep hearing how Freeman carried this sad sack of shit Buccaneers team to 10 wins all by himself. So I checked out the stats...

TB had the 17th ranked passing offense in the NFL, and the 8th ranked rushing offense. Why no talk of L. Blount carrying this team to 10 wins?

Bucs also had a top ten defense in ponts allowed.

oh.

Freeman doesnt play for the 1976 Bucs. Stop.

You have to run to set up the pass and vice versa, and I'm certain a large amount of those run plays came from Freeman making an audible, checking from a pass to a run... As for the defense, they did play well, but disregarding the offensive efficiency (#8 in 3rd down conversions) and lack of giveaways (#4) by the Freeman led offense is a bit shortsighted...

Freeman had a 1,000 yard RB who averaged 5.0 ypc, a 60+ catch WR who caught 11 TD's, and a TE who nearly caught 70 balls.

Blunt, C. Williams, M. Williams, Winslow

LT, Greene, Holmes, Edwards

With that said, the Jets have slightly better skill players. The Jets scoring D was 6th, the Bucs 9th. Both teams had top 10 running games.

Enough of this myth that Freeman was playing with dogshit while Sanchez plays for the 1988 49ers. Sanchez plays for a slightly better team, in a much tougher conference.

lol at slightly better... you would take an undrafted free agent rookie RB, an injury prone RB, a 4th round pick rookie WR and a crazy TE who had his worst season of his career (where he played a full season) over the skill players the Jets have (who are all former 1st round picks)??? I mean, if they are just slightly better, then you wouldn't have a problem switching them... GTFO warner, you are either trolling or you let Omar have access to your account...

[Warner2BruceTD]

lol at slightly better... you would take an undrafted free agent rookie RB, an injury prone RB, a 4th round pick rookie WR and a crazy TE who had his worst season of his career (where he played a full season) over the skill players the Jets have (who are all former 1st round picks)??? I mean, if they are just slightly better, then you wouldn't have a problem switching them... GTFO warner, you are either trolling or you let Omar have access to your account...

I don't care about draft position, and neither should you.

I wouldn't switch them, but the Jets are not exactly the '99 Rams. The Bucs have mediocre skill guys with little depth, the Jets have slightly better skill guys and good depth. Neither team has top ten guys at any position.

Do you think there is a huge difference between Edwards & Williams? Between Winslow & Keller (Winslow is better in this case)? Blount & LT? The only huge advantage is the Jets depth.

[Senser81]

I done with this shit.

WHaT hApPeNeD??