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Can't read this nonsense but until the Freeman gets some more quality wins.
Sanchez > Freeman
Sanchez > Freeman
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SANCHEZ BLOWS!
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Nas gonna hate regardless. I can do the same shit with Ryans QB ratings or any QB for that matter but why bother? As if its some huge revelation that your QB rating tends to go up vs weaker teams and are not as high vs stiffer comp. Funny thing is we played damn near an identical schedule and he is talking that dumb shit. If thats the case I can say how Ryan padded his stats against the NFC west with his QB rating was a whopping 67.3 vs the 9ers. Ask how average did he really think Freeman was when it took some bullshit for them to beat the Bucs both games this year. Why even entertain him, he is a fan of a division rival who already know what its gonna be for years to come. Dont expect any credit from you. FYI, you all blew your chance this season.
All I know is anyone who would rather have Sanchez over Freeman is an idiot, period.
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If that article wasnt enough for you here is more food for thought Nas..... take a gander at Ryans second year numbers, now do the same to Freemans.
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I'm gonna do it just for fun, because I'm bored.
I'll do it for year 2 and 3 of Ryan's career.
2010:
ARI 117.3
BAL 101.8
CAR 76.5, 110.9
CIN 118.1
CLE 89.4
GB 107.9
NO 108.8, 77.9
PHI 78.5
PIT 67.5
STL 101.8
SF 67.3
SEA 87.1
TB 94.1, 62.8
So in 7 games vs. playoff teams, Ryan played really well in three and average in two others. The only truly poor performance was at Pittsburgh in week one. While a similar discrepancy existed between the ratings vs. playoff teams and non playoff teams, there is a higher baseline number.
Now for 2009, Ryan's second year in the league:
BUF 103.3
CAR 122.2, 57.4
CHI 68.4
DAL 66.1
MIA 98.0
NE 82.3
NO DNP, 46.4
NYG 88.0
NYJ 69.7
SF 110.0
TB 78.5, 78.6
WAS 81.1
One really shitty performance and two other shitty ones. This was vs. a difficult schedule though. Many of the non-bolded teams were either 8-8 (SF, NYG, CAR) or 7-9 (CHI, MIA). Meanwhile the 2010 Bucs played exactly two teams this year with between 7 and 9 wins. Two.
My point? Freeman has been padding his stats vs. shitty competition. He's a beneficiary of the NFL scheduling system, which pairs shitty teams from the previous year vs. other shitty teams so everyone can win a few more games and feel a bit better about themselves. Congratulations. Freeman plays well vs. shitty teams, of which he has gotten to play many. That makes him more opportunistic than good in my eyes.
Games vs. teams with at least 7 wins:
2009 Falcons: 13
2010 Bucs: 7
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Remember when Josh Freeman lost to Drew Stanton and the Lions who hadn't won a road game in three years in a game he should have won in order to help his team get in the playoffs? Good times.
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You would have such a strong case if it was that cut and dry but it isnt therefore, GTFOH with that BS. Fact of the matter is we were a 3-13 team in 09, and won 10 games when idiots like you surely didnt have us winning more than 5 games. You telling me that the Bucs team is/was perceived to be just as far along as the Falcons? How about Freeman, was/is he perceived to be further along than Ryan was in his second year? The answer is no and now that this so called average player has come along and wrecked shit in a season where the Bucs were expected to be the laughing stock of the league all you dickheads want to play the SOG card. Eat a dick. When Ryan were putting up pedestrian numbers last season he was the second coming of Tom Brady.
Really is a pointless argument when you all want to do any and everything you can to not give him his due. Im done with it but Ill leave with these facts.
None of you had any qualms about the Bucs schedule coming into the year.
Freeman is/was a far better QB than anyone expected him to be this season and the major reason for the Bucs success.
Freeman was a better QB in his second year (with far less) than this Matty Ice character who was ATL's fans savior.
Freeman at 22 (turned 23 this month) is further along in his second year than Ryan was in his second year at 24.
Sanchez doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Freeman. Sanchez is/will be nothing but a game manager in this league.
Freeman will be the best QB in the NFC South next season when we win the division.
And incase you missed it.....
NFC South MVP: Josh Freeman
Josh Freeman threw for 3,451 yards this season, with 25 touchdown passes and six interceptions.
Let's not even bother with the setup. Let's just open the envelope and read what's inside.
The NFC South Most Valuable Player for the 2010 season is ... Josh Freeman.
Go ahead, start yelling and screaming in New Orleans and Atlanta. Throw eggs or whatever, but just be aware that I've got the alarm system on and since Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Harvey Dahl and Justin Blalock are worried about the possibility of a lockout, I've hired them as guards.
Yep, I picked Freeman over Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. I picked him over Michael Turner and Roddy White too.
Let's be real clear: I'm not saying Freeman is a better quarterback than Brees, who is going to the Hall of Fame someday. I'm not even saying Freeman's better than Ryan, who has had three very nice years. I'm not even saying Freeman had a better season than Brees and Ryan or even Turner and White.
Go back and read the second paragraph and circle the word valuable. That's really the crux of all this. There are lots of ways you can give out MVP awards. But if you put the emphasis solely on the value a player had to his team, Freeman wins in a landslide.
That thought hit me Sunday morning on a plane from Atlanta to Tampa. I'd given some thought to Turner and White, but was pretty much ready to flip a coin to decide between Brees and Ryan. They both had nice regular seasons and they both got bounced in their first playoff games.
In other words, Brees and Ryan did exactly what was expected of them in the regular season, and I don't mean to sell that short as an accomplishment because the bar was set sky high for both of them. But did either of them really do anything special? Anything that was beyond expectations?
When I thought about it in those terms, that's when Freeman's name hit me and this decision was made.
"I think the most important thing is, in just about every game this season, Josh at least had us in a position to win the game,'' Tampa Bay general manager Mark Dominik said. "With a young team, that was hugely important, and he allowed us to accelerate our process. That made him incredibly valuable to us.''
I'll take it a little further than Dominik and say Freeman meant everything to the Buccaneers. He carried that team all season. For those who weren't paying attention, like the 30,000 who weren't showing up for games at Raymond James Stadium or the millions who couldn't watch Tampa Bay's games because they were blacked out on local television, the Bucs went from being 3-13 and a national embarrassment in 2009 to a 10-6 team that barely missed the playoffs.
Nobody expected anything close to that. And nobody expected anything like that from a quarterback who didn't celebrate his 23rd birthday until after the season was over, and who created an instant army of critics when Dominik made the then-ridiculous move of trading a sixth-round pick to move up and draft Freeman in 2009.
Everything Dominik and coach Raheem Morris did in 2009 seemed ridiculous. They signed Derrick Ward, fired both coordinators by midseason and lost a lot of games. But it turned out they did one thing right.
They drafted Freeman and, in his first season as a full-time starter, he made a lot of other things look right. He threw for 3,451 yards, 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. His touchdown-to-interception ratio was one of the 10 best in history, and he also used his legs to win games.
More than anything, Freeman used his back to carry the Buccaneers. Tampa Bay had the league's lowest payroll and had the youngest roster in the league and, if you really look at that roster, it wasn't all that good. Yes, some bright spots (running back LeGarrette Blount and receiver Mike Williams) emerged, but part of the reason they emerged was because they were playing with Freeman.
The Bucs had so many injuries on the offensive line that, by the end of the season, they were starting Ted Larsen, Jeremy Zuttah and Derek Hardman at the three interior positions. If you're not a close relative and had heard of any of those three before they were starting, it might be time to develop some other hobbies.
With all the changes around him, Freeman was the one constant. Other than his six interceptions, his stats didn't compare favorably to the numbers Brees and Ryan put up.
But let's do a little exercise here. Picture the Saints without Brees for a season. Put Chase Daniel in with all those weapons and Sean Payton calling the plays and the Saints still win a fair amount of games. Picture the Falcons with Chris Redman in for Ryan. It's the same thing. The Saints and the Falcons would at least be competitive without Brees and Ryan.
Now, picture the 2010 Buccaneers without Freeman. I say they would have been 0-16. If you disagree, go out to training camp this summer and watch a few plays with backups Josh Johnson and Rudy Carpenter under center.
That's why Freeman did more for his team than any NFC South player in 2010.
"The thing is people forget that he was only 22 this season,'' Dominik said. "He took big steps this year and that helped our whole team take some big steps. He's only going to get better in the future, and that's only going to help everyone around him get better in the future.''
Remember, all I'm saying is Freeman was more valuable to his team this year than anyone else. If what Dominik said about the progression of Freeman and the Bucs comes true in the future, then I might be back here with an update. I might end up writing that Freeman is a better quarterback than Brees and Ryan.
Or you can just skip over it like you did before and keep with your baseless argument.
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Lol. BB get off freeman's dick.
I'm taking Sanchez over Freeman everyday of the week...mostly because I've seen how he does against the big boys in this league.
In year two, he's shown great improvement. He led the Jets down the field numerous times this year. I can't pull up the stats right now but his playoff stats are great and he has 4 wins over the league's best QB's (and he outPlayed bigben this time).
He's tough as nails and has shown to be clutch. I'll tell you that he reminds me of bigben. He won't have gaudy stats but he will deliver more times then not when they need a big play or drive.
You say you watch the Jet games yet you seem to be the only one who can't acknowledge how bad the Jets OC is and how fans and media want him gone or feel he should be gone.
Also how has Freeman done against the top tier teams in the NFL? just curious.Originally posted by Nick MangoldComment
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Eh, I read it the first time. Found it to be pretty stupid. For one, the Falcons did play without Ryan in his second year, and went 0-2 with Chris Redman at the helm, so what kind of disproves his argument.
And incase you missed it.....
Or you can just skip over it like you did before and keep with your baseless argument.
For two, who gives a shit? It's an espn column. Congratulations. An espn writer thinks Freeman was the MVP of the NFC South this season. What did that get him exactly? A non-playoff trip? Awesome.
Thirdly, you curiously forgot to bold this passage, which derails your homer nonsense completely:
Like I said, Freeman is better than Sanchez, but that doesn't make him good. He padded stats vs. shitty competition.Let's be real clear: I'm not saying Freeman is a better quarterback than Brees, who is going to the Hall of Fame someday. I'm not even saying Freeman's better than Ryan, who has had three very nice years.
Here you go:Originally posted by mogriffjr
I wish I could provide you with more figures of Freeman vs. good teams, but there is a really small sample size due to the NFL's charitable schedule format. The 2010 Bucs played 8 games vs. teams with at least 7 wins this year. That means half of their schedule was vs. teams which will picking in the top 10 of this year's draft.Not that I believe fully in this stat, but here are his passer ratings, by opponent. You'll soon notice a trend. (Playoff teams in bold.)
ARI 121.8
ATL 72.0, 61.4
BAL 65.3
CAR 118.3
CIN 85.4
CLE 88.7
DET 99.9
NO 79.5, 133.2
PIT 67.1
STL 80.4
SF 117.9
SEA 144.2
WAS 109.8
So he played 7 games against playoff teams, and played poorly in 4 of them, and average in another. The two good performances were against the worst playoff team of all time and a week 17 win over the team that subsequently lost to said worst playoff team of all time. Color me impressed.
In contrast, the 2009 Falcons played 13 teams with at least 7 wins. So it's not really fair to compare Freeman's 2nd year to Ryan's 2nd year. Ryan made the playoffs in year 1, so he faced a playoff schedule in year 2. Let's see how Tampa does next year when they don't get to play the worst teams in football every other week.Comment
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