NFL's Top 100 Discussion

[Senser81]

I started arguing with Warner when he said he could name 100 players he would rather have, not that are better...than Freeman. That's what started the discussion.

Agreed. So we blame Warner for this.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah, that's been my reasoning the whole time.:stupid:

I've never even once in this thread AGREED with the ranking. I just don't have a major problem with it like you guys do.

Yeah, but I don't have a big problem with it. We all know it's too soon to have him on the list. The issue is how far off the list he should be. I don't see a problem with him being in the discussion, whereas Warner can name a million guys he'd rather have on his team.

If you also don't agree with the ranking, then why do you think it's so outlandish that I think there are easily 100 players better? What the hell are we arguing about?

This has been my point all along with you. I have no clue what you are arguing!

[Blick]

If you also don't agree with the ranking, then why do you think it's so outlandish that I think there are easily 100 players better? What the hell are we arguing about?

This has been my point all along with you. I have no clue what you are arguing!

Because I think Freeman is better than you think.

I don't really care anymore.

[Primetime]

worst argument evar

[Warner2BruceTD]

I agree that nobody cares anymore. Fuck this thread.

[bucky]

I agree that nobody cares anymore. Fuck this thread.

No, no, no....It was so much fun loling through it.

[shag773]

I'm shocked you guys are even watching that show, much less have an opinion on it.

Even more shocked that people here still feed into BigBucs' trolling. C'mon fellas, you're better than that.

[BigBucs]

Wow. WTF happened to this thread? LOL!

I don't think anybody is saying the guy is a pile of shit. But he's a young player, protected by a conservative gameplan, who has one decent season and one HORRENDOUS season under his belt. Forgive us if we would like more of a resume before we fall over ourselves gushing over him. I never came away particulary impressed with the "eye test" when watching him.

A guy who truly doesnt know shit at all.

He's only thrown for over 300 yards once in his career, and that time he also threw 5 INTs. Tampa seemed to dumb down their offense for Freeman. He averaged 32 att/game his rookie year. Last year, he averaged less than 30 att/game. Tampa made a concerted effort to "hide" Freeman, and it worked. When he had to carry the team with his arm, he couldn't do it. He benefited from a weak schedule and a pretty good defense. In fact, Tampa's defense outranked their offense last season.

This fucker has to be trolling.

Donald Penn sucked last year... The entire bucs offensive line is horrible. Penn is overrated, Davin Joseph is WAY overrated and Jeremy Trueblood is a joke. Freeman was constantly under pressure last year.

Little overboard. Penn was rock solid for the most part but we constantly played musical chairs at OL. Joseph, Trueblood and Faine were hurt for significant amounts of time, at the same time, last season so we were making due with what we had. Larsen, Zuttah and Lee did a decent job but having 3 starters out didnt make things any easier on Free.

And I love how Freeman gets all of the credit for the Bucs sudden improvement, when two additions to the offense (Williams & Blount) were arguably the most impactful. They weren't there in '09, but Freeman was. Where was this Freeman magic wand two years ago?

Its like saying, Isaac Bruce spearheaded the greatest show on turf, ignoring that they added Faulk, Warner, and Holt.

Stop acting like an idiot. Freeman played half the season after we started 0-7 and lead us to wins over Greenbay (this years champs), and New Orleans (you know, the superbowl champs that year). For a guy who watched %90 of the games that season you would know this.

BTW, Freeman's best games last year were against Arizona, Carolina, Seattle, and a NO team that rested for the playoffs

Wow. Why do gus spew off this shit as if it was fact. NO didnt rest anyone for that game. Not until the game was clearly over did they sit Brees. They were playing for a fucking division title.

Freeman before Blount: 85 passer rating
Freeman after Blount: 102 passer rating

Blount impacted Freeman and the offense more by himself. Now add in Mike Williams, and it's a no-brainer.

Yea, because a QB having far more success with a running game than without isnt typical. BTW, Freeman is 1-0 vs Rodger, in fact he got his very 1st W vs him.

What kind of impact did the QB (the same guy) make in 2009 without those guys?

Seems like the QB's impact was directly related to the additions of those two players.

What changed? Williams for Antonio Bryant, Blount for C.Williams. the QB didn't change, you geek. He improved, sure, but that had a lot to do with the arrrival of those two skill guys. Freeman didn't single handedly change the Bucs. Its a myth.

What a revelation, better players around you = more success. :acid: How many elite QBs in this league (save for Brady) has been successful with marginal talent? I dont see you trying to discredit them. SMH Only reason Manning has been good is Harrison and Wayne, Warner = Fitz/Boldin Holt/Bruce etc.... fuck out of here.

Charles: 91.7 yds/game
Blount: 91.5 yds/game

No saying Blount is in Charles league, but he made a very similar impact as Charles did when he got his chance.

Where is the receiving statistics?

I'm shocked you guys are even watching that show, much less have an opinion on it.

Even more shocked that people here still feed into BigBucs' trolling. C'mon fellas, you're better than that.

Get your ass on. I didnt have shit to do with this thread taking the direction it did.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Huh? I saw plenty of Freeman last year. Probably 6 or 7 full games, and decent parts of most of the others. This is 2011, DirecTV replays every f'n game in its entirety for three days.

The rest of your post is trash. Nobody gives a shit what either guy did in college. Or HIGH SCHOOL. What point are you trying to make? Dumbarcus Russell & Ken Dorsey were great in college. Who gives a fuck.

ok.

OK. Forget the video.

Please refer to Freeman's shitastic 2009 season, before he had Williams bailing him out once or twice per game.

You watched 7 full games? Williams averaged 4 receptions per game. That video I posted only had Williams catching 8 out of the 25 3rd/4th down segments in there. Only 2 of those passes were toss ups, the rest of his passes to Williams on every down in that video were on target, delivered with accuracy, zip, and in places that only Williams could have made a play on the ball. What you're saying just doesn't jive.

Oh, and I keep forgetting to say this.

Watching that highlight film of Freeman, the player I came away most impressed with, and who is clearly underrated and far more worthy of this top 100 talk, is Mike Williams. He's much better than I thought, and really saved Freemans ass a lot more than I thought he did last year. Gets good seperation at the line, and wins nearly every jump ball.

You watched 7 FULL games and you didn't notice until now how good Mike Williams was? Until after you watched a 7 minute clip? And now you expect me to believe you ever watched even a single Bucs game? Because I don't, not now.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I should go back and re-read my postings. Its asinine.

I fixed it for you.

I think Cassel sucks

:ionno:

How did Cassel not play well on the field last year?

I don't know, you tell me. You're the one that thinks he sucks.

I have been more impressed with Freeman than with Cassel when it comes to the "eye test", but maybe thats because I've seen Cassel more often. I saw Freeman look extremely ordinary against Pittsburgh early in the year and get outplayed by Charlie Batch. Its interesting if you look at Freeman's numbers...when he'd play a good defense and throw 35-40 passes, he'd only end up with like 180-200 yards. But when he'd play a bad team he'd throw 20-25 passes, but he'd end up with 250 yards.

So you're saying a good QB looks ordinary against one of the best defenses in the history of football? And didn't he throw 31 passes against Pittsburgh? It's not like he threw 35-40 attempts or something.

And when he plays a good D he throws for fewer yards than when he plays a bad D? Holy shit! Don't let this secret get out, then everybody will start throwing like freakin Nolan Ryan out there all over the bad teams.

Tampa seemed to dumb down their offense for Freeman. He averaged 32 att/game his rookie year. Last year, he averaged less than 30 att/game.

And yet when they play a good defense he'd throw 35-40 passes. Why would you dumb down your offense against weak teams and lean on your QB like this against superior teams? The dots from one post to the next do not connect sir.

a troll like Shayn

Pot calling the kettle black much.

[FirstTimer]

Plus, Freeman is black.

Hey Shayne.

Quit being an over sensitive faggot.

Thanks,

VSD.

[Warner2BruceTD]

ok.



You watched 7 full games? Williams averaged 4 receptions per game. That video I posted only had Williams catching 8 out of the 25 3rd/4th down segments in there. Only 2 of those passes were toss ups, the rest of his passes to Williams on every down in that video were on target, delivered with accuracy, zip, and in places that only Williams could have made a play on the ball. What you're saying just doesn't jive.



You watched 7 FULL games and you didn't notice until now how good Mike Williams was? Until after you watched a 7 minute clip? And now you expect me to believe you ever watched even a single Bucs game? Because I don't, not now.

Listen dummy, don't come jumping into a thread cherry picking quotes removed from the context of the converstaion.

My opinion from the start has been that Freeman was helped greatly by the emergance of Williams and his ability to make great plays. Then you post a video where Williams makes a bunch of great plays, and somehow this proves me wrong. You sir, are fucking toolbag. Get lost.

But yeah, you're right buddy, I'm so caught, I didn't watch the Bucs all year. In fact, I've never watched a Tampa game, period. Actually, I don't even watch the NFL. Or football for that matter. I'm not even sure what football is.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Hey Shayne.

Quit being an over sensitive faggot.

Thanks,

VSD.

Quit being closed minded. I'll be happy when the day comes that a young black QB won't be knocked for his skin color. I'll continue to groan when I see prejudice like this. To pre judge a QB, or even to make a comment in jest that he may be inferior in any way is a primes that lacks integrity and is shameful. In the least you should be ashamed you made such a comment, douche. I haven't had a problem with you for a long long time. In fact I was beginning to enjoy you as a fellow VSN member, I still do in fact. I just have to groan this narrow minded prejudicial comment you made, and I'm not sorry in the least for doing so.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I didn't watch the Bucs all year. In fact, I've never watched a Tampa game, period. Actually, I don't even watch the NFL. Or football for that matter. I'm not even sure what football is.

I was in fact going to say that about you next, you beat me to it.

[FirstTimer]

Quit being closed minded.

LOL at this.

Obviously you missed the joke.

Blick didn't.

Get a fucking clue you fucking idiot.

Seriously.

Are you really this retarded?