Peyton Manning possibly out for the year?
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When the Colts won with Peyton Manning being the focal point, in the playoffs he was as mediocre as it got. Did the defense playing as well as they did diminish Peyton's career any? Manning didn't win the Superbowl with any clutch drive, he didn't win it with any 120 QB rating. Nothing like that. Aside from a blown coverage the Colts beat the Bears with defense and a running game.Comment
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It shouldn't and in my mind it didn't for Brady like it won't for Manning.
Cassel has proven in KC he's a decent player because he's continued to replicate what he did in that year in NE. How is Cassel actually being the same QB in NE as KC a knock against Brady? It doesn't work. If Cassel were to be complete shit in KC then you have an argument, but that didn't happen.
With Brady it does. Thats how they won SBs. Not with his arm. By him Casseling it all the way. Ever since Brady has been the focal point they havent won one. Putting all the emphasis on one guy then having his backup lead the team to that record shows that player is replaceable and nowhere near as important as touted.
Also, diminishing a player's importance to a team doesn't change the skill or ability of that player.
It can. If Scrub Painter goes out and tosses 39 tds and 12 picks you dont think it diminishes Peyton ??
And again, Painter's success doesn't change the incredible accomplishments of Manning. Does Aaron Rodgers success in Green Bay diminsh anything Brett Favre ever did?
If Collins and Painter lead the Colts to a 0-9 start you dont think Peytons legacy grows with every defeat ??
Brady was NOT the focal point of that team when they won SBs.
His individual success after the Def fell off masks that. He was the focal point when Cassel took over and it showed that team isnt dependent on him and he isnt as important as people want to think.
You're looking at it all the wrong way because you're acting as if Cassel is a terrible player. He's proven otherwise as he continues to repeat his NE numbers.
Manning has won being the focal point and if this team succeeds without him you have to give the system a ton of credit which will take away from his legacy. Your not a great player if your easily replaceable period. Your just a cog at that point. A nice shiny one but a cog none the less.
So how can Brady be a cog and Manning not?
How is Favre not a cog now that Rodgers is doing the same?
C'mon.
You can now easily argue Brady is a product of great circumstance. Theres alot of evidence to suggest it.Comment
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When the Colts won with Peyton Manning being the focal point, in the playoffs he was as mediocre as it got. Did the defense playing as well as they did diminish Peyton's career any? Manning didn't win the Superbowl with any clutch drive, he didn't win it with any 120 QB rating. Nothing like that. Aside from a blown coverage the Colts beat the Bears with defense and a running game.
I refuse to beat the dead horse on the Brady vs. Manning argument though.
Of course I believe Manning is more valuable than Brady, but not by much. Brady seems to be a lot more consistent than Manning. I think Brady has the benefit of better coaching.Comment
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The Colts go 0-7 without Peyton.
Manning returns and takes them to 9-7 record and another AFC South crown (Because we all know the Texans will do shitall and remain 8-8)
The world is in awe as Manning carries the team to the Superbowl and wins glouriously. As he celebrates the football gods swoop down and take him to join them.
And so, the tale of Peyton Manning ends.Comment
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The Colts go 0-7 without Peyton.
Manning returns and takes them to 9-7 record and another AFC South crown (Because we all know the Texans will do shitall and remain 8-8)
The world is in awe as Manning carries the team to the Superbowl and wins glouriously. As he celebrates the football gods swoop down and take him to join them.
And so, the tale of Peyton Manning ends.
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The Colts go 0-7 without Peyton.
Manning returns and takes them to 9-7 record and another AFC South crown (Because we all know the Texans will do shitall and remain 8-8)
The world is in awe as Manning carries the team to the Superbowl at Lucas Oil Stadium and wins glouriously. As he celebrates the football gods swoop down and take him to join them.
And so, the tale of Peyton Manning ends.Comment
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When the Colts won with Peyton Manning being the focal point, in the playoffs he was as mediocre as it got. Did the defense playing as well as they did diminish Peyton's career any? Manning didn't win the Superbowl with any clutch drive, he didn't win it with any 120 QB rating. Nothing like that. Aside from a blown coverage the Colts beat the Bears with defense and a running game.
Hopefully with no Manning this year they'll finally learn their lesson.
Also the comeback against the Pats probably helps offset things.Comment
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I'll never understand when a Brady-Manning argument breaks out they need to shit on one of them to try and make a case. I don't care which side you're on, diminishing what either player has done or meant to their team is laughable.
For me, it's all about the hardware. Brady's 4 super bowl appearances and 3 rings trumps Manning's 2 super bowl appearances and 1 championship. Anyone that says Brady anything less than a huge contributer to those championships either has an axe to grind or has no idea what their talking about.
One example I'll give is Belichick's coaching record without Brady, which is 55-60 (includes 2008 w/ Cassel) with 1 playoff appearance, which was not with Cassel.Comment
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When the Colts won with Peyton Manning being the focal point, in the playoffs he was as mediocre as it got. Did the defense playing as well as they did diminish Peyton's career any? Manning didn't win the Superbowl with any clutch drive, he didn't win it with any 120 QB rating. Nothing like that. Aside from a blown coverage the Colts beat the Bears with defense and a running game.
In the AFC Championship game, Manning led the Colts to 38 points and had 349 yards and a TD. In the Super Bowl, Manning threw for 247 yards and a TD in a rainstorm (and was MVP).
In his most recent Super Bowl, Manning threw for 333 yards and a TD (preceded by a 377 yard, 3 TD performance in the AFC Championship game).
Brady threw for 145 yards, 236 yards, and 354 yards in his Super Bowls.
Manning's 333-yard performance against the Saints is higher than 17 of Tom Brady's 19 postseason games.
Manning's postseason QB rating is higher than Brady's.Comment
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Another Brady vs Manning discussion?? Doesn't matter, one will retire in a couple years and neither will win another ring.
For the record - Brady's 3 rings gives him the nod.Comment
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