Eli Manning...

[DSpydr84]

The GIANTS won and the PATRIOTS lost.

/thread.

[jms493]

I love all this banter......entertaining while at work today. GO GIANTS!!

[FirstTimer]

Please explain how Welker wasnt wide open

Please review video then STFU.

Also, explain how Eli didnt easily out play Brady, Brady did nothing after the first drive of the 3rd quarter, threw a pick and got a safety called on him on the first play he had

Brady despite all this set a Super Bowl record and was winning the game with less than 4 minutes to play.

Yep. Eli was "easily" outplaying Brady despite Brady being up most of the second half and setting a Super Bowl completitions record held by Joe Montana, who I recall being pretty decent.

Bro, that ball was high and to the outside and moving fast. It was a hell of an athletic play for Welker to get his hands on it. He could have caught it, yes, but it was still a poor throw.

It absolutely was not.

It can't be thrown up the seem with Welker continuing on his route. Safety is there. Welker either gets killed, the ball is knocked away, or picked. Higher risk throw.

Brady can't "stop" Welker on his route and throw it underneath as there is a defender there. REALLy risky throw.

The best throw and area to put the ball in on a throw like that given the route and the coverage is away from the safety in the middle of the field coming over and over the top of the outside corner...which is where Brady put the ball. It was the right throw, a tough catch(that wasn't made), but the throw was to the area of the field it should have been. The throw was fine.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Fixed.

:dtrain:

:gayrod:

Don't hate on a prophet, nigga. When he enters the Hall, don't come crying and begging to suck my prophetic cock.

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[RosettaStoned]

It absolutely was not.

It can't be thrown up the seem with Welker continuing on his route. Safety is there. Welker either gets killed, the ball is knocked away, or picked. Higher risk throw.

Brady can't "stop" Welker on his route and throw it underneath as there is a defender there. REALLy risky throw.

The best throw and area to put the ball in on a throw like that given the route and the coverage is away from the safety in the middle of the field coming over and over the top of the outside corner...which is where Brady put the ball. It was the right throw, a tough catch(that wasn't made), but the throw was to the area of the field it should have been. The throw was fine.

I don't have an issue with the ball being thrown outside.. but it was thrown too high, and too hard. By NFL standards Welker was wide ass open.

[NAHSTE]

Wait so now Eli is not only a hall of famer, he's vaunted to "more clutch in big games than Brady" status? Jesus. Let me call Maaco to get some new brake pads installed for Larry.

[Warner2BruceTD]

It's like I said at the start of the thread, if you were waiting to see how the Patriots final drive turned out in order to form your HOF opinion of Eli, then I have a major gripe with that. That's why I bring up the final drive. Not to discredit Eli. To add perspective to this stupid, retarded narrative we have in pro football of rings automatically equaling greatness.

-The Pats came up short, so Eli "did what he had to do to win", and now has his second ring, so PUT HIM IN CANTON!

-If the Pats score, Eli "came up short and didn't quite do enough", and is still on the outside looking in, because, well, he only has one ring and his numbers aren't that great.

Yet in both instances, HIS PERFORMANCE WAS EXACTLY THE SAME! NOTHING CHANGED!

And you guys don't find that mental?! Team wins or losses, in this case, THE PERFROMANCE IS IDENTICAL!

This is why I say, if you hadn't made up your mind by the end of the GIANTS final drive, then you are a goofball consumed by rings, and nothing else. And yes, that makes you lazy in your analysis.


And i'm still waiting for somebody to do this:

Make a convincing argument for Eli's HOF candidacy without using the words "Super Bowl" or "rings".

I bet you can't. Because you would need phrases like "he led the league in this x amount of times", or "he was the best at this", or "he was an elite level player at his position for x amount of time", etc, to do that and it's hard to apply those phrases to Eli Manning.

To me, unless a guy has legendary Super Bowl performances (plural) you should be able to craft a credible HOF argument for a player without even talking about the Super Bowl. You can't do that with Eli, his entire legacy is based on the result of two games, in which he was pretty good, but not even dominant!

That's what I find ridiculous about QB assessment, but it's never going to change.

Nobody has, because you can't.

If it's all about Super Bowls for you, without context, then just admit that it's all about the rings, so the rest of us can disregard your shallow opinions from now on.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The GIANTS won and the PATRIOTS lost.

/thread.

Yeah, let's just shut down the entire site while we're at it.

What an awful post.

[MrBill]

I never said it was a great throw. I just said it wasn't a "poor throw".

LOL at Welker scoring on that play.

WES WELKER'S DROP IN THE SUPER BOWL - YouTube

Brady can't lead him inside because of the safety help.

He has to throw the ball back shoulder to the sideline as that's the open area.

If Brady leads Welker up the field he gets Welker killed or possibly throws a pick.

If Brady had thrown a rope and hit Welker in stride there is no way it would not have been a TD. The safety was not able to close until Welker had to stop running and spin to try and catch the ball.

[FirstTimer]

I don't have an issue with the ball being thrown outside.. but it was thrown too high, and too hard. By NFL standards Welker was wide ass open.

And Brady hit him in the hands with a pass thrown to the correct area of the field given the coverage.....so what's the gripe again?

[jms493]

It's like I said at the start of the thread, if you were waiting to see how the Patriots final drive turned out in order to form your HOF opinion of Eli, then I have a major gripe with that. That's why I bring up the final drive. Not to discredit Eli. To add perspective to this stupid, retarded narrative we have in pro football of rings automatically equaling greatness.

-The Pats came up short, so Eli "did what he had to do to win", and now has his second ring, so PUT HIM IN CANTON!

-If the Pats score, Eli "came up short and didn't quite do enough", and is still on the outside looking in, because, well, he only has one ring and his numbers aren't that great.

Yet in both instances, HIS PERFORMANCE WAS EXACTLY THE SAME! NOTHING CHANGED!

And you guys don't find that mental?! Team wins or losses, in this case, THE PERFROMANCE IS IDENTICAL!

This is why I say, if you hadn't made up your mind by the end of the GIANTS final drive, then you are a goofball consumed by rings, and nothing else. And yes, that makes you lazy in your analysis.


And i'm still waiting for somebody to do this:



Nobody has, because you can't.

If it's all about Super Bowls for you, without context, then just admit that it's all about the rings, so the rest of us can disregard your shallow opinions from now on.

I think we got your point like 4 days ago...u need to copy and paste it in every fucking thread.:leake:

[FirstTimer]

If Brady had thrown a rope and hit Welker in stride there is no way it would not have been a TD. The safety was not able to close until Welker had to stop running and spin to try and catch the ball.

Idiotic.

Phillips adjusted his route once the ball was thrown.(Your picture even shows him looking at Brady)

Up the seem and Welker might be killed.

LOL at Mr Bill saying the pass should have been thrown harder up the seem and Rosetta complaing because the ball was thrown too hard.

[NAHSTE]

Nobody has, because you can't.

Well, as of five weeks ago we were collectively still arguing whether or not Eli was even one of the best QBs currently playing in the NFL. So apparently a one (or four if you count the entire playoff "run") game sample size provided enough info to deduce that, not only is he one of the best in today's NFL, he's also one of the best in NFL history.

Always fun to make snap judgments in the heat of the moment based on miniscule samples.

[FirstTimer]

Well Larry had him in Canton after the 2007 season in which he went full on Rex Grossman for a season yet won one more game.

[EmpireWF]

Well, as of five weeks ago we were collectively still arguing whether or not Eli was even one of the best QBs currently playing in the NFL. So apparently a one (or four if you count the entire playoff "run") game sample size provided enough info to deduce that, not only is he one of the best in today's NFL, he's also one of the best in NFL history.

?

Eli had the best season of his career this year and was a candidate for MVP had Rodgers and Brees not had ridiculous years. Even before the playoffs began.