Eli Manning...

[jms493]

they are still great but they were 10-0 in the playoffs before spygate...right?

[Len B]

they are still great but they were 10-0 in the playoffs before spygate...right?

Well when you have different rules allowing you to mug wide receivers, have a top defense in the league, and have one of the best game managers in the NFL, things are a bit easier to win, no?

But surely, the fact that they keep winning and just happen to lose on final drives with absolutely NO defense means that all of their success is due to a camera. Makes sense. I'd call it more law of averages if anything. Sometimes you have luck, sometimes you don't.

[jms493]

Well when you have different rules allowing you to mug wide receivers, have a top defense in the league, and have one of the best game managers in the NFL, things are a bit easier to win, no?

But surely, the fact that they keep winning and just happen to lose on final drives with absolutely NO defense means that all of their success is due to a camera. Makes sense. I'd call it more law of averages if anything.

im just fucking with ya pats fans.....chill

[Len B]

Unaware I was riled up

Good game you fuck

[Len B]

Brady completed 2 passes over 10 yards where his WRs didn't have YAC? Honestly Eli outplayed Brady all night. He put balls where the ball needed to be and completed passes other than drags, curls, and wheels.

No one is saying he didn't? Eli was phenomenal and earned it.

This goes back to the Flacco scenario though where it's obvious a top tier QB is going to outperform Brady when he's going against fucking Sterling Moore or Molden, whereas his defense is actually good. God, I hate our secondary.

[NAHSTE]

So what we've learned today is:

- Bill Parcells, not a Hall of Famer.

- 8th best quarterback in the NFL, definitely a Hall of Famer.


:carlosgomez:

[Atlas]

No one is saying he didn't? Eli was phenomenal and earned it.

This goes back to the Flacco scenario though where it's obvious a top tier QB is going to outperform Brady when he's going against fucking Sterling Moore or Molden, whereas his defense is actually good. God, I hate our secondary.

eli made a ton of risky ass throws, but molden and the rest of the secondary (not to mention mayo's inability to pick off eli's first TD pass when any other LBer would have) shit the bed...

[Warner2BruceTD]

Eli has never led the league in any statistical category.

Except for INT's.

Twice.

Eli has probably never been one of the best 3 QB's in the league in a given year. Maybe not even top 5.

His career QB rating, in the friendlies passing era ever, is a pedestrian 82.2.

Eli, for his admirable postseason heroics and great road wins, has also been part of multiple terrible late season collapses.

But yeah, we don't over glorify the last game of the year. Let's measure everything on rings, like some aging ex-player mailing it in with a fake smile behind a desk on CBS or NBC or ESPN.

I don't know if I think Eli should be a Hall of Famer, i'm mulling it but lean 'no', but what I do know is winning a second Super Bowl shouldn't make him a lock.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

So what we've learned today is:

- Bill Parcells, not a Hall of Famer.

- 8th best quarterback in the NFL, definitely a Hall of Famer.


:carlosgomez:

- NAHSTE is a moran.

[Len B]

Eli has never led the league in any statistical category.

Except for INT's.

Twice.

Eli has probably never been one of the best 3 QB's in the league in a given year. Maybe not even top 5.

His career QB rating, in the friendlies passing era ever, is a pedestrian 82.2.

Eli, for his admirable postseason heroics and great road wins, has also been part of multiple terrible late season collapses.

But yeah, we don't over glorify the last game of the year. Let's measure everything on rings, like some aging ex-player mailing it in with a fake smile behind a desk on CBS or NBC or ESPN.

I don't know if I think Eli should be a Hall of Famer, i'm mulling it but lean 'no', but what I do know is winning a second Super Bowl shouldn't make him a lock.

Sad part is he's already a lock. The good news is with those WR's he should be able to have a few more great statistical years to justify it. Kurt Warner needs to be in before Eli.

[Derrville]

[PEYMAN18]

Based on 8 year span

Player A
21498 Yards
141 Touchdowns
76 Ints
91.2 QB Rating
7-3 Postseason Record
16 4th Quarter Comebacks
2 Rings

Player B
27579 Yards
185 Touchdowns
129 Ints
82.1 QB Rating
8-3 Postseason Record
24 4th quarter comebacks
2 Rings

ELISHA IS THE SECOND COMING.

[EmpireWF]

Without predicting/assuming any additional post-season success, figure Eli has (give or take a year) 5 seasons of football in his prime left.

If he averages 4,000 yards passing and 30 TDs a season....he'll end up a top 6-8 all-time QB in passing yards and a top 10 all-time QB in passing TDs.

Now do you look at that and say well, he's just a stat compiler over a decade-plus long career?

Also, how about Ben Roethsliberger who is almost in the same exact category (multiple time SB winner, has good stats over time, but is behind Brady, Peyton, Brees and Rodgers in terms of the best QBs of his era)?

Do you think Eli HAS to have ungodly type seasons (like Brady has had, or Brees and Rodgers and Peyton have had) to push HOF opinion over the edge?

[Champ]

First and foremost congrats Giants fans. Whenever a big play needs to be made they make every.single.fucking.one and earned the victory.

I want to vomit at how the entire Patriots squad minus Tom Brady collapsed in that fourth quarter. Welker's drop is just not acceptable when you see Manningham make a play that is 10x harder. How the fuck did the offensive line play phenomenally for 59 minutes, and then let the 4 man rush of the Giants get to Brady EVERY play on that final drive?

That play by Blackburn was unreal... thought it was the Patriots chance for some Tyree bullshit, but an injured Gronk and a phenomenal play by Blackburn negated that.

Real quick question...

How is it only a five yard penalty in the final minute when a team has more than 11 men on the field? Just like there's a run off on offense for having a penalty in the final minutes, there needs to be a similar rule for defenses. Hypothetically, you could throw 15 men on the field, double team every WR and waste 10 seconds of the clock and all you have to give up is 5 yards?

It should be a 5 yard penalty plus resetting the play clock back to what it was prior to the play.

You mean the Blackburn that was in the same position I was 2 months back? Sitting on a couch. Man Blackburn really had a huge difference this year.

[Tailback U]

So if Gronkowski catches the hail mary, Eli isn't a hall of famer?

I read this on ESPN earlier, and I'll try to find a link tomorrow, but basically if Eli hits his season averages for the next 3 years he will be a top 15 QB of all time in every single statistical category and at least 2 Super Bowl Rings.

When it's all said and done, he will be a hall of famer (assuming he hits his career averages for the next 3 years).

Hate all you want, but Eli is an elite QB.