An Elite QB explains what an elite QB is on Twitter

[Jayrock]

"Trent Dilfer" and "elite" are two words I would never think to have been in the same sentence.

[wr50l]

If you honestly can't figure out how good, great or bad a player at any position in any sport is after watching say ... a couple of years of the sport as a whole and 5-10 full games of the individual, then sports message boards weren't designed for you.

[dave]

Also dave, how do his numbers not overwhelm you? He throws for four bills and 30 TD's every year. He just had a 500 yard game.

And his demeanor is probably his greatest strength.

Have you ever watched Eli Manning play?

10 Manning never impressed me until that first Super Bowl ... and get over the fact that I was right about your replacement referee stand. I agree, I was wrong about Eli Manning. Your stand on replacement refs was simply union-related.

[Warner2BruceTD]

It of course means win multiple times, it doesnt have to be a championship. Both Dan Marino and Trent Dilfer are elite to me. All your stat arguments and game manager accusations dont mean shit when you never played the game at the highest level. They have and won or nearly won the ultimate prize. That is an elite QB. That said, when you are the the winning QB on the winning team for that one game, you are elite for that one day no matter what anyone says. Especially the trolling pinheads who post here

Trent Dilfer was never close to elite.

He was a pretty lousy player on TB early in his career (before losing his job to SHAUN KING), and then was mediocre at best with Baltimore. The year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, most people don't remember this, but Trent Dilfer lost a camp battle to TONY BANKS, who started the first 9 games. At the end of his career, as Dilfer bounced around between Seattle & Cleveland, he was decent in his role as gatekeeper/gritty veteran backup leader guy.

So, you are going to tell me that a guy who lost jobs to Shaun King & Tony Banks was elite, because in one game, his all time defense beat the living shit out of the Giants and he managed to throw a bomb to Brandon Stokely? That's your argument?

[ram29jackson]

If you honestly can't figure out how good, great or bad a player at any position in any sport is after watching say ... a couple of years of the sport as a whole and 5-10 full games of the individual, then sports message boards weren't designed for you.

what does that even mean ? what joke dont I get ? are you making a joke ?

[Warner2BruceTD]

10 Manning never impressed me until that first Super Bowl ... and get over the fact that I was right about your replacement referee stand. I agree, I was wrong about Eli Manning. Your stand on replacement refs was simply union-related.

I ask again, if Tyree doesn't make the circus catch of all circus catches, would you still be impressed with Manning based on that game?

[Warner2BruceTD]

10 Manning never impressed me until that first Super Bowl ... and get over the fact that I was right about your replacement referee stand. I agree, I was wrong about Eli Manning. Your stand on replacement refs was simply union-related.

Before you critisize my replavcement ref stance, please explain to me what that stance was, exactly. Because i'm pretty sure you don't know. Thanks.

[dave]

I ask again, if Tyree doesn't make the circus catch of all circus catches, would you still be impressed with Manning based on that game?

Eli Manning has won two Super Bowls on freak catches. I take those two Super Bowls over the SBs my Eagles didn't win.

Do you believe Eli isn't a top-5 QB in the NFL right now?

[dave]

Before you critisize my replavcement ref stance, please explain to me what that stance was, exactly. Because i'm pretty sure you don't know. Thanks.

You believed the replacement refs were no better or worse than the real ones.

[Warner2BruceTD]

You believed the replacement refs were no better or worse than the real ones.

As I suspected, you have no clue what my stance was, so i'm done with you on this topic.

[dave]

Warner ... I like you. You're entertaining. But you try to overcome people here with your alleged knowledge and intelligence. You're an ideologue. No ideologue is intelligent. Pure ideology is idiotic. No ideology is right or wrong, the world isn't that black and white. All that said, your wrestling knowledge is impeccable.

[ram29jackson]

Trent Dilfer was never close to elite.

He was a pretty lousy player on TB early in his career (before losing his job to SHAUN KING), and then was mediocre at best with Baltimore. The year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, most people don't remember this, but Trent Dilfer lost a camp battle to TONY BANKS, who started the first 9 games. At the end of his career, as Dilfer bounced around between Seattle & Cleveland, he was decent in his role as gatekeeper/gritty veteran backup leader guy.

So, you are going to tell me that a guy who lost jobs to Shaun King & Tony Banks was elite, because in one game, his all time defense beat the living shit out of the Giants and he managed to throw a bomb to Brandon Stokely? That's your argument?

obviously football is a team sport and blaming Dilfer for TBays woes is dumb. He became a veteran, played within his strengths and lead the offense in Baltimore to a Super Bowl...yes I know the defense was great but that still doesnt detract from his efforts..you dont stay a starter in the NFL just because you didnt ef up too badly. You have to produce and he did enough to win the ultimate prize = he is elite...dont forget; he did win a game even though the other team stole his playbook and knew all his plays.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Eli Manning has won two Super Bowls on freak catches. I take those two Super Bowls over the SBs my Eagles didn't win.

Do you believe Eli isn't a top-5 QB in the NFL right now?

I think Eli is an elite QB, but not because of the first SB win.

I am far more impressed with the fact he won three tough road games in those playoffs, which while easier to do than in the past, is still a tough accomplishment (for example, Drew Brees has never won a road playoff game, and until he does, he is a notch below the top level QB's imo).

With that said, there are several QB's with zero SB wins that I would take on my team before Eil, despite the two rings. But yes, he's easily an elite QB.

[MrBill]

What if David Tyree doesn't trap that hail mary on the side of his helmet? There was nothing inherently clutch about that play, he just heaved the ball up in a situation where an INT was no different than taking the sack or throwing it away. Is he still CLUTCH if he's 1-1?

If anything, it was Tyree who made the clutch play.

If we start playing the "what if" game, what if Tom Brady doesn't get bailed out with the tuck rule or his kicker misses the FG's that won their Super Bowls? I bet if we start digging, a lot of players that are held up as elite were just one or two critical plays (that they might not have even been involved with) from being thought of as only good QB's.

[Warner2BruceTD]

obviously football is a team sport and blaming Dilfer for TBays woes is dumb. He became a veteran, played within his strengths and lead the offense in Baltimore to a Super Bowl...yes I know the defense was great but that still doesnt detract from his efforts..you dont stay a starter in the NFL just because you didnt ef up too badly. You have to produce and he did enough to win the ultimate prize = he is elite...dont forget; he did win a game even though the other team stole his playbook and knew all his plays.

So if the Raves had lost that game, say, a 50-49 shoot out where Matt Stover missed a PAT as time expired, would Dilfer still be "elite"?