UFC 98: Machida vs Evans

[Bmore]

any of your arguments about mma are meaningless now...how in the fucking hell could you have fedor #3?

Any of your arguments about anything are meaningless now... how in the fucking hell could you mistake a 4 for a 3.

Anyway, the fact that Fedor only fights every 6-7 months is enough for me to rank him lower. Lets wait 6-7 more months so Fedor can beat another washed up or below average heavy weight.

What he needs to do is sign a contract with the UFC. Then people (like myself) will think of him as p4p the best. Till then. The 3 I ranked ahead of him, will remain ahead of him in my book.

Btw, nice try in editing your stupidity ;)

[clovett]

you realize that there are orgs outside of the ufc..so because he doesnt fight in the ufc doesnt make him a good fighter? lmao....is your affliction shirt a little too tight today?

[Bmore]

you realize that there are orgs outside of the ufc..so because he doesnt fight in the ufc doesnt make him a good fighter? lmao....is your affliction shirt a little too tight today?

No shit there are other fighting organizations. But everyone knows the UFC holds contracts with 80%-90% of the best fighters at their respective weight classes. It doesn't seem like he is being challenged in Affliction.

So he beat Sylvia, what has Sylvia done in his last 5 fights? Beat Brandon Vera? Brandon Vera is more of a Light Heavy Weight anyway.

So he beat Arlovski, a decent win indeed. But Arlovski's last big win was in 2005 against Sylvia and since then Sylvia has wipped his ass twice.

Personally I don't think Affliction can challenged Fedor as much as the UFC can.

[Bigpapa42]

Anyway, the fact that Fedor only fights every 6-7 months is enough for me to rank him lower. Lets wait 6-7 more months so Fedor can beat another washed up or below average heavy weight.

What he needs to do is sign a contract with the UFC. Then people (like myself) will think of him as p4p the best. Till then. The 3 I ranked ahead of him, will remain ahead of him in my book.

Hate to break it to you, but many of the UFC heavies aren't fighting every 3-4 months either.

And those "washed up and below average" guys he has beat in his last two fights are both considered top ten HWs and the duo dominated the UFC heavyweight division from 2004-2007. They would both be in around the top 5 in the weight class in the UFC at this point.

Fedor doesn't really "need" to do anything. He has built almost untouchable legacy and cemented his status as an all time great without the UFC. The only thing he will possibly gain by joining the UFC is winning over casual US fans, and given that it would mean making concessions he doesn't want to make - such as forsaking fighting in Sambo - there's not really a lot of reason for him to do so.

[CrimsonGhost56]

btw if i were ranked the top 5-10 P4P i'd say...

1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Lyoto Machida
4. Fedor (I rank him lower cuz he doesn't fight often)
5. B.J. Penn
6. Miguel Torres
7. Thiago Alves
8. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
9. Patrick Cote
10. Dan Henderson

rob gonna be heated ... fedor is number 1 until he loses, no matter what

[Bigpapa42]

No shit there are other fighting organizations. But everyone knows the UFC holds contracts with 80%-90% of the best fighters at their respective weight classes. It doesn't seem like he is being challenged in Affliction.

So he beat Sylvia, what has Sylvia done in his last 5 fights? Beat Brandon Vera? Brandon Vera is more of a Light Heavy Weight anyway.

So he beat Arlovski, a decent win indeed. But Arlovski's last big win was in 2005 against Sylvia and since then Sylvia has wipped his ass twice.

Personally I don't think Affliction can challenged Fedor as much as the UFC can.

You obviously pay very little attention to outside organizations, and that really hurts your arguements. There is a lot of non-UFC talent out there. Its not 90%.

Sylvia was fighting for the interim UFC HW title in early 2008, so obviously the UFC felt he was doing something in that era... And that win over Vera was a big deal, as Vera was supposed to be the next big thing at HW.

Arlovski beat Werdrum in 2007, plus Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson outside the UFC. He was ranked as high as the #2 overall HW coming into the fight against Fedor... But I guess you know more than the industry experts...

And who is the long list of elite HWs that the UFC cna throw against Fedor?

[Bmore]

You obviously pay very little attention to outside organizations, and that really hurts your arguements. There is a lot of non-UFC talent out there. Its not 90%.

Sylvia was fighting for the interim UFC HW title in early 2008, so obviously the UFC felt he was doing something in that era... And that win over Vera was a big deal, as Vera was supposed to be the next big thing at HW.

Arlovski beat Werdrum in 2007, plus Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson outside the UFC. He was ranked as high as the #2 overall HW coming into the fight against Fedor... But I guess you know more than the industry experts...

And who is the long list of elite HWs that the UFC cna throw against Fedor?

Brock, Mir, Noguiera, Kongo, Herring, Couture, Dos Santos, Carwin, Gonzaga.

I'm positive Fedor can beat them all. Dana White has already explained that Fedor would love to fight in the UFC. Just the guys behind making the contract want the UFC to build a arena in Russia. You'd have to watch the whole Machida/Evans pre-fight press conference.

Sherdog.com doesn't even have Fedor as #1, so obviously i'm not the only one who thinks it.

[CrimsonGhost56]

^ idk if you can consider any of those heavies "elite". all solid fighters (some more than others) but nowhere near the level of fedor. he would rip through all of them like nothing. p4p rankings dont really mean much in my book, having fedor 1 or 3 doesnt make much of a difference, he is the best heavyweight to ever fight and still is. i would like to see him in the ufc, but just doesnt seem like its going to happen for a long time.

[Bmore]

^ idk if you can consider any of those heavies "elite". all solid fighters (some more than others) but nowhere near the level of fedor. he would rip through all of them like nothing. p4p rankings dont really mean much in my book, having fedor 1 or 3 doesnt make much of a difference, he is the best heavyweight to ever fight and still is. i would like to see him in the ufc, but just doesnt seem like its going to happen for a long time.

That I can agree on.

[Kuzzy Powers]

btw if i were ranked the top 5-10 P4P i'd say...

1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Lyoto Machida
4. Fedor (I rank him lower cuz he doesn't fight often)
5. B.J. Penn
6. Miguel Torres
7. Thiago Alves
8. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
9. Patrick Cote
10. Dan Henderson

LMAO @ ranking Patrick Cote in any top 10 list of anything except maybe top 10 CANADIAN fighters. Good lord..

Henderson is past his prime.. hes not a top 10 fighter anymore. This is a new breed.. Rashad would whoop Cote's ass, and would probably do the same to Hendo (Hendo's a tough dude so I wont say Shad will KO him) And im Canadian too.. I like Patrick Cote.. but hes not in this league. Dude was barely even able to keep his UFC contract before stringing off a couple wins.

[RosettaStoned]

LMAO @ ranking Patrick Cote in any top 10 list of anything except maybe top 10 CANADIAN fighters. Good lord..

Henderson is past his prime.. hes not a top 10 fighter anymore. This is a new breed.. Rashad would whoop Cote's ass, and would probably do the same to Hendo (Hendo's a tough dude so I wont say Shad will KO him) And im Canadian too.. I like Patrick Cote.. but hes not in this league. Dude was barely even able to keep his UFC contract before stringing off a couple wins.

Little quick to be calling Hendo past his prime.

[Kuzzy Powers]

I dont think so. He hasnt KO'd anyone since Vanderlei and that was 2+ years ago. This was a guy reknowned for his KO power. Hes still as tough as they come and an admirable fighter.. but his fights against Franklin and Palheres left something to be desired IMO. He should've finished both of those fights... Franklin looked sloppy and Palheres had his worst showing to date.

If its fair to call Rashad overrated, its definitely fair to call Hendo past his prime. I still think Henderson is a great fighter, just not a top 10 fighter.

[Bmore]

LMAO @ ranking Patrick Cote in any top 10 list of anything except maybe top 10 CANADIAN fighters. Good lord..

Henderson is past his prime.. hes not a top 10 fighter anymore. This is a new breed.. Rashad would whoop Cote's ass, and would probably do the same to Hendo (Hendo's a tough dude so I wont say Shad will KO him) And im Canadian too.. I like Patrick Cote.. but hes not in this league. Dude was barely even able to keep his UFC contract before stringing off a couple wins.

I only put Cote on there really cuz he is a personal favorite of mine. Personally I think he came the closes to giving Silva a match. If he doesn't have that leg injury, he probably would have taken it to a decision.

I agree Cote was on the way out, but I think GSP and Mark DellaGrotte has lit a fire under his ass.

When he comes back I say put him against Leites, Bisping or Leben. As for Rashad, Cote doesn't fight at 205.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Cote has fought at 205 before actually.. but id expect him to stay at MW as his size can be more effective at that weight class.

Dont get me wrong, I like Patrick Cote. I wish him the best as a fighter.. and he has some of the heaviest hands in the business. Hes just far from a top 10 p4p fighter.

[Steel Mamba]

lol @ Cote. Please at least take him out for Faber.

& I'm so tempted to start speaking the truth about Fedor again, but it's a dead horse I suppose since we've gone through pages of Fedor debate at MM.