MMA Thread

[Warner2BruceTD]

W2B, you probably know more about this than me, but how does the PPV buys break down money wise?

You get 100k buys, at say $45 a pop, thats $4,500,000, so 4.5 million

How much do they pay the back to the cable company or other fees, etc...? I'm sure certain certain compants have diifferedt arrangements, but in general

It's complicated.

Different cable/satellite companies have different deals with promoters, but in general, the promoter gets roughly 40%-50% of the gross. Other people get their hands in the jar also, like distributers, etc.

I'll research the actualy figures when I get a chance, but I know i'm in the ballpark.

sidenote-actual buyrates are almost never released. It's always estimates. Never trust an estimate from a promoter, obviously. The estimates are based on information cable & sat companies choose to provide, so often times you get sketchy numbers because not all the companies release figures. The actual numbers trickle in slowly, and you can't really get an accurate count until sometimes a year after the event.

[Liquidrob]

I'm torn on Brock...the dude is jacked but he's one of those monster farm boy guys. I think it's likely he sampled steroids/gh at some point in his adult life but he's clean these days.

I think he is/was been on something, I think the majority of guys are, I dont even think 'The Natural' Randy Couture is clean, do you really believe a guy past 45 years old is in the best shape of his life and doing the things he did without some help? It just doesnt add up

Its just who doesnt get caught in my mind and I really dont care anymore who does what

[Liquidrob]

It's complicated.

Different cable/satellite companies have different deals with promoters, but in general, the promoter gets roughly 40%-50% of the gross. Other people get their hands in the jar also, like distributers, etc.

I'll research the actualy figures when I get a chance, but I know i'm in the ballpark.

sidenote-actual buyrates are almost never released. It's always estimates. Never trust an estimate from a promoter, obviously. The estimates are based on information cable & sat companies choose to provide, so often times you get sketchy numbers because not all the companies release figures. The actual numbers trickle in slowly, and you can't really get an accurate count until sometimes a year after the event.

yeah, thats what I always heard, like you said, around the 40/50% range

if you were going buy that, I would think you can make money off Fedor with 100k buys as long as you dont pay the other guys these outragous amounts of money

but who is going to fight Fedor for cheap? thats the tough part

[RosettaStoned]

Lmao, Brock is such a meathead.

[Steel Mamba]

1 I don't know why people care so much who's taking what

2 It's silly to assume that anyone big or freakishly athletic must have been on something.

[clovett]

Mirko Cro Cop’s exodus from the UFC is complete.

The fearsome striker will face off with Siala “Mighty Mo” Siliga at DREAM 10 on July 20, MMAWeekly.com has learned from a source close to the fight. Josh Gross at SI.com was the first to report the news.

Cro Cop is five days removed from an indecisive TKO victory over Mustapha Al-Turk at UFC 99 that ended shortly after an inadvertent eye poke caused the British fighter to wilt. That night, UFC president Dana White confirmed to Yahoo! Sports that Cro Cop had walked away from a two-fight extension with the promotion for a three-fight contract with Dream.

Several subsequent reports gave conflicting information citing Cro Cop’s departure. On Wednesday, Croatian website Index.hr ran a report that appeared to confirm White’s statements.

In the report, Cro Cop disputed the idea that his move to Dream was below the board and said the choice came down to timing.

“I have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of,” said Cro Cop. “The thing is very simple. I know the truth and Dana knows the truth — I had a one-fight deal with UFC and I fulfilled my contractual obligation. I said we’re going to sit down and talk after UFC 99.

“The problem is I’m 35 and I’m finally healthy. The UFC is offering me a fight six months from now. I said even before that I want to fight three more times this year. I don’t really care if it’s in the ring or inside the Octagon. I don’t see why I can’t fight in Japan for a few fights and then return to the UFC. That is also an option.”

Siliga, also a hard-striking kickboxer, last fought under MMA rules in December, where he lost to Semmy Schilt by triangle at K-1 Dynamite! on New Year’s Eve.

[Obst]

1 I don't know why people care so much who's taking what

2 It's silly to assume that anyone big or freakishly athletic must have been on something.

You can name a lot of wrestlers who have died from roids, its not safe to assume that Brock never messed around with any type of HGH during his WWE days.

[Steel Mamba]

It's not safe to assume that he did either.

But, please link to some documented proof where steroids was listed as the cause of death for anyone. I don't want to say that using steroids is a healthy thing, although sometimes it is, but the media makes roidsout to be a little worse than they actually are.

[Bigpapa42]

You can name a lot of wrestlers who have died from roids, its not safe to assume that Brock never messed around with any type of HGH during his WWE days.

Actually, the majority of wrestling-related deaths tend to be due to abusing multiple types of substances, of which steroids might just be one. Factor in the accumulated physical damage of the business and the continual nature of it...

I actually agree with Rob - I don't really know that there are too many guys who are actually completely clean. Anything to get an edge. I would love to think that my favorite fighters like Fedor and GSP are clean... but even them getting caught wouldn't truly shock me...

[Warner2BruceTD]

It's not safe to assume that he did either.

But, please link to some documented proof where steroids was listed as the cause of death for anyone. I don't want to say that using steroids is a healthy thing, although sometimes it is, but the media makes roidsout to be a little worse than they actually are.

Pro wrestler Eddy Guerrero's death certificate lists the cause of death "enlarge internal organs, likely caused by anabolic steroid use" (paraphrasing). This is the only pro wrestler I am aware of where steroid are listed as the official primary cause of death.

However....

Chris Benoit murdered his family and killed himself, in what most experts believe was a steroid enduced "roid rage", along with severe brain trauma (caused by multiple factors, including steroid abuse) that caused him to go literally insane.

Independant wrestler Paul E Normous recently died due to his heart expanding & exploding in his chest. He was a bodybuilder/well known steroid user. Draw your own conclusion.

Steroids, in conjunction with pain killers and cocaine, have also contributed to the deaths of probably hundreds of other pro wrestlers, including Road Warrior Hawk, Rick Rude, Mr Perfect Curt Hennig, and many many others. The steroids enlarge the heart, and then the cocaine/pain killers increase the heart rate leading to what can accurately be described as "exploding" hearts.

Men in their mid to late 30's with unatural looking physiques dropping dead of heart attacks isn't something that's normal. Steroids didn't kill all of these men, but they certainly contributed.

Not to mention the dozens of high school and college athletes who commit suicide every year, due to fits of "roid rage" and steroid induced paranoia/depression. The official cause of death may read "self induced gunshot wound to head", but we know better.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Steroids aren't necessarily the direct cause of any of those guys deaths...however, it was one shot in a cocktail of shit these dudes took/take. Put'em all together, and these boys (many of which W2B mentioned), take a downward spiral that doesn't end until the guy is on his back for the three count for good.

Brock definitely took something, he probably still is, the dude is still pumped as hell. I'd say he's dirty. But in MMA, who cares?

[Warner2BruceTD]

Brock definitely took something, he probably still is, the dude is still pumped as hell. I'd say he's dirty. But in MMA, who cares?

Masking agents, timing your cycles, undetectable drugs (HGH, fo example)...all of these things keep getting more sophisticated, while the tests remain pretty much the same.

Don't fool yourself, the big time fighters who have the money and hire the right consultants (ahem, nutritionists...) are doping and getting away with it.

I'm actually shocked when guys get caught. Not shocked that they are on stuff, shocked that they are dumb enough to actually get caught. These guys know the exact time and date they will be tested ahead of time. Duh.

[Steel Mamba]

You have to seperate steroid use and abuse, they're two totally different things. Someone could abuse Tylenol and do more damage than steroid abuse ever could. People die from alcohol abuse, even water can kill you if you intake too much of it. No matter what the substance it has to be taken in smart moderation, from steroids to every food that we eat.

Steroid use is safe, abuse is dangerous just like abusing anything else in this world.

[CrimsonGhost56]

people always talking about roids being prominent during the Pride days and it seems like that was the case but i wonder what sort of drug testing, if any, do they actually do in Japan?

[Warner2BruceTD]

people always talking about roids being prominent during the Pride days and it seems like that was the case but i wonder what sort of drug testing, if any, do they actually do in Japan?

None.

Fighting is not regulated in any way, which is why you see open weight tournaments, freakshow fights, and guys all juiced up. It's a free for all.