The General Wrestling Thread

[Spidey]

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[Leftwich]

Its Cleveland man ... dont expect much

Will make up for tonight if he is there.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Lost in BryanMania, is the fact that Punk's elimination was pretty stupid.

I enjoyed the show for the first three matches, and then the train wreck aspect of the last two.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

also giant swing spots ... good stuff

Kofi needs to just eat it next year

The token Kofi spot is goofy, but at least its got some intrigue in it...its like watching the X-Games...you tune in because you want to see him eat it.

[FedEx227]

Its Cleveland man ... dont expect much

To be fair has Pitt ever been a big smarky crowd either?

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Lost in BryanMania, is the fact that Punk's elimination was pretty stupid.

I enjoyed the show for the first three matches, and then the train wreck aspect of the last two.

I haven't seen the pre-show tag yet...but I'll take your word on it being decent. Otherwise, the first two matches I thought were done very well. Bryan-Wyatt was better than anyone could have hoped. Lesnar-Show is exactly what it should have been. Short, ridiculous, and having Lesnar look like a wrecking ball.

Cena-Orton was made entertaining for the car crash effect. Crowd made that match something to see. Sheamus-Orton, Big Show-Batista type shit.

Rumble was a mix bag...after an hour, I feel like I just wasted my time. Not even the trainwreck effect had me enjoying myself. Just a ton of groans.

[FedEx227]

I don't have anything much to add. Echo a lot of what's been said here. I enjoyed the hell out of the PPV because I was genuinely laughing at how tone deaf WWE is. Warner long ago told me to stop caring and it was the best thing I ever did, it's a job to me now and I treat it as such.

The Batista push to WrestleMania may be one of their more tone deaf examples but, it's WWE. Expect the expected.

[Warner2BruceTD]

You guys know how this plays out, right?

The whole world is going to watch RAW tomorrow, big number guaranteed. So you can bet your ass they open the show with Batista, Triple H, and Orton.

Book it.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

On one end of the spectrum...no one was better at manipulating a crowd than Hulk Hogan.

Is the antithesis of Hogan, Randy Orton?

Holy fuck is he a guy that just doesn't get it or what?

The second people start to shit on him he has no idea wtf to do.

[dave]

I just wish tomorrow night's RAW had a bunch of British fans like last year's post-Wrestlemania RAW. That RAW was one of my favourite RAWs of all time.

[Warner2BruceTD]

On one end of the spectrum...no one was better at manipulating a crowd than Hulk Hogan.

Is the antithesis of Hogan, Randy Orton?

Holy fuck is he a guy that just doesn't get it or what?

The second people start to shit on him he has no idea wtf to do.

Yup. Just like the Sheamus RAW match. If shit doesn't go according to plan, he freezes. CHIN LOCK CITY tonight, he was LAWST.

That's the downside of being a WWE create-a-wrestler. They can't improvise. Meltzer was talking about that regarding the awful Kofi/Rusev match on NXT. It went off the rails, an they couldn't get it back. They don't know how.

But hey, they always face the right way, and never look into the camera. The important things. Who cares if you can work the crowd, the company doesn't listen to them anyway.

[FedEx227]

Yup. Just like the Sheamus RAW match. If shit doesn't go according to plan, he freezes. CHIN LOCK CITY tonight, he was LAWST.

That's the downside of being a WWE create-a-wrestler. They can't improvise. Meltzer was talking about that regarding the awful Kofi/Rusev match on NXT. It went off the rails, an they couldn't get it back. They don't know how.

But hey, they always face the right way, and never look into the camera. The important things. Who cares if you can work the crowd, the company doesn't listen to them anyway.

#TheLittleThings

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I don't have anything much to add. Echo a lot of what's been said here. I enjoyed the hell out of the PPV because I was genuinely laughing at how tone deaf WWE is. Warner long ago told me to stop caring and it was the best thing I ever did, it's a job to me now and I treat it as such.

The Batista push to WrestleMania may be one of their more tone deaf examples but, it's WWE. Expect the expected.

This is what happens when the WWE refuses to make any new stars.

They realize all they have is Cena and even he isn't a guy they necessarily want to consistently headline WrestleMania with.

So, they have The Undertaker's match and they are relying on other part timers for people to tune in. It worked great with The Rock. Because...its the fuckin Rock. It worked, despite the diminishing returns for Brock Lesnar, because its fucking Brock Lesnar (and they couldn't have had a worse year and a half of booking with Lesnar). They've been going with a card that usually features 3-4 standout matches and its been working. They might be going to the well once too many times and this time, without the horses to pop a rate.

In some way, I want to see WrestleMania 30 bomb...

They've used The Rock and these part-timers to bridge from that older era through Cena to this newer era...but they have never gone all of the way with their pushes to create new stars. This should be the year where you have your Bryan and Punk at or damn close to the top because they put in the investment. I think The Shield v. The Wyatts would have been a great match for WrestleMania...but they are going in a different direction.

Instead, we've got fuckin Batista and Randy Orton.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Yup. Just like the Sheamus RAW match. If shit doesn't go according to plan, he freezes. CHIN LOCK CITY tonight, he was LAWST.

That's the downside of being a WWE create-a-wrestler. They can't improvise. Meltzer was talking about that regarding the awful Kofi/Rusev match on NXT. It went off the rails, an they couldn't get it back. They don't know how.

But hey, they always face the right way, and never look into the camera. The important things. Who cares if you can work the crowd, the company doesn't listen to them anyway.

I believe it was Jake Roberts that once said...if the crowd is shitting on you as a heel, you're supposed to heel it up and lock in that chin lock or headlock as a fuck you to the crowd to get'em back on course of the match.

However, Orton can't even do that right.

Oh, and FWIW, Rusev is already the drizzling shits. He's getting the push out of the gate and I already don't like it. Don't like him n NXT. Don't like him now. Won't like him in the future. He's got "Dancing Bulgarian" written all over him after Cena squashes him at Payback 2014.

[dave]

I guarantee it won't be Batista and Orton. If Batista's heel turn is realized, it will be Batista vs. Cena. Somehow, the WWE will make it Cena. In a perfect world, WWF president Jack Tunney announces Daniel Bryan was the champ all along and overrules HHH, but Tunney was sadly future endeavoured.

Oh, and FWIW, Rusev is already the drizzling shits. He's getting the push out of the gate and I already don't like it. Don't like him n NXT. Don't like him now. Won't like him in the future. He's got "Dancing Bulgarian" written all over him after Cena squashes him at Payback 2014.

Watching him tonight, the first guy I thought of, oddly enough, was Rikishi. Not sure if that's a good thing or not.