The General Wrestling Thread

[Warner2BruceTD]

BIG STAR!!

You can thank this post, just as an acknowledgment that Larry was right on the money with this shit from the jump.

The minute Triple H Pedigreed Daniel Bryan he was killed dead.

The only problem with this, is SummerSlam didn't draw either, and that was well before any Triple H/Authority shenanigans.

Of course, none of that helped.

The million dollar question, is has the towel been thrown on him? It's not obvious the Big Show title match was nothing more than a one month time killer that meant nothing big scheme.

Mania build will tell all.

Vince's words to investors RE: Summer Slam flopping (paraphrasing) - "We didn't have the right attraction".

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The only problem with this, is SummerSlam didn't draw either, and that was well before any Triple H/Authority shenanigans.

Of course, none of that helped.

The million dollar question, is has the towel been thrown on him? It's not obvious the Big Show title match was nothing more than a one month time killer that meant nothing big scheme.

Mania build will tell all.

Vince's words to investors RE: Summer Slam flopping (paraphrasing) - "We didn't have the right attraction".

The build to SummerSlam was kind of shit, too.

The point is, Bryan shouldn't have been expected to be the draw on that show, but the show is supposed to be a catalyst to make Bryan a big star. H's pedigrees him, he loses the title and its over before it began.

The subsequent shows were just shooting an already dead animal. The finishes of those shows didn't help at all, but again, it was DOA.

[BigBiss]

Im calling it now Shamus vs Orton at mania ...

[Guest]

The only problem with this, is SummerSlam didn't draw either, and that was well before any Triple H/Authority shenanigans.

Of course, none of that helped.

The million dollar question, is has the towel been thrown on him? It's not obvious the Big Show title match was nothing more than a one month time killer that meant nothing big scheme.

Mania build will tell all.

Vince's words to investors RE: Summer Slam flopping (paraphrasing) - "We didn't have the right attraction".

Vince has got it all wrong. With the exception of Wrestlemania, we are out of the period of there being a draw or "attraction." They've got to have the card, and if we re-visit the SummerSlam card, we can see why.

1.) Bray Wyatt and Kane in the gimmick match. Both guys are the drizzling shits and they get booked in a gimmick match together. This made absolutely no sense.

2.) Rhodes vs. Sandow. They spent weeks pushing this angle, including it being the main one on a SmackDown that involved Sandow having the MiTB briefcase remade. So what do they do? The briefcase isn't on the line, and the match is over in under seven minutes.

3.) ADR vs Christian for the WHC. I can't remember positives or negatives from this match, which is both good and bad I guess. These are two guys who can go for 20 minutes, but get 12.

4.) Six Divas tag match, which I guess was because of the Total Divas show. I can guarantee no one was purchasing this PPV because of the Total Divas match, so why waste the time on it? Especially with a mixed-tag up later in the show.

5.) Lesnar vs Punk. Given 25 minutes, great match no complaints.

6.) Ziggler/Kaitlyn vs Langston/AJ. No problems here necessarily, because they did push this feud as well, but given that we already had one match with Divas, put another match in here and give Rhodes/Sandow or ADR/Christian more time. Better yet, take out the other Divas match and have this one instead.

7.) Danielson vs Cena. The minute H's put himself in the match, most of us figured that shenanigans would happen. But why end one of the major PPVs like this? You finally have someone beat Cena clean for his title, the title he got off of the Rock no less, then do the screwjob ending. Most people knew this would happen, so why bother?

And lets not even go into the throwaway pre-show match, where they wasted the Shield and Rob Van Dam, who could have had spots throughout the card.

Middling card=middling show. WWE is going to get what they put out there, and in this case, an average return.

[BigBiss]

Honky Tonk Man cancelled on PWS. PWS posted the text messages.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...count=1&ref=nf

I dont announce untill a plane ticket has been paid for ... also big fucking loss ...

[Warner2BruceTD]

I dont announce untill a plane ticket has been paid for ... also big fucking loss ...

Edwin Cyberbully Crespo Honkytonk man is right, was his plane ticket purchased?
Yesterday at 6:00pm

Pro Wrestling Syndicate No his plane ticket wasn't purchased. It was to be purchased the first week of January as agreed to in the booking. Thanks for your keen insight though.
6 · Yesterday at 6:10pm

Edwin Cyberbully Crespo Did you send him a retainer
Yesterday at 6:11pm

Pro Wrestling Syndicate If we had done anything 'wrong' on our end, dont you think HTM would have said so ?
5 · Yesterday at 6:16pm

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Here's the thing about PWS, i'm not a wrestling promoter, but I think after years of following this shit and talking to people inside the business, that if there is one golden rule of promoting that I understand, it's that you should only focus on & promote your next show. In fact we talked to Gabe Sapolsky about this when we were trying to get WrestleCon info out of him and he wouldn't bite because he was focused on the next DGUSA triple shot. PWS always has about 19 shows that they're pushing at the same time. This Honky Tonk Booking was for 2014, and they still have shows lined up for this month. The next show is 12/14. He's a cock for blowing them off when something better came along, but why even announce him so early to begin with?

[BigBiss]

never spend more time then you need too talking about people that are not on your show

[Warner2BruceTD]

The Bryan vs. Orton blow-off in the Hell in a Cell match on 10/27 in Miami, did an estimated 212,000 buys, which was 121,000 domestic and 91,000 overseas. While the number of buys is about the same as last year, that’s misleading, since Hell in a Cell was a PPV in the U.K. this year while it aired free in the No. 2 market last year.

Last year’s Hell in a Cell did 207,000 buys, broken down as 157,000 domestic and 50,000 foreign, so it’s really a 23% domestic drop year-over-year. Now there are a few key things. Last year there was six weeks between shows and this year there was only three weeks. Last year’s number was also unusually high based on recent years. It had an attraction people really wanted to see, the Punk vs. Ryback Hell in a Cell match that clicked huge as an attraction because Ryback was unbeaten, the Hell in a Cell made you think there was going to be a conclusive winner, and Punk was in the middle of a long title reign. The big number was done without Cena, with Sheamus vs. Show for the world title as the only support so it really was the main event.

But this year’s show had far more depth, but didn’t have close to the same main event interest. It had more depth than any HIAC show in recent years, but also beat handily both the 2010 and 2011 domestic numbers.

This year’s show had the Orton vs. Bryan blow-off for the still-vacant title, Del Rio vs. Cena in Cena’s return and what was advertised as Punk vs. Ryback & Heyman in another Hell in a Cell match. 2010 did 109,000 domestic for Kane vs. Undertaker world title; Orton vs. Sheamus WWE title; and with no Cena on the card). The 2011 show, with Cena vs. Punk vs. Del Rio for WWE title; Henry vs. Orton world title, did 98,000.

So overall, that number wasn’t bad. Were people waiting for the Orton vs. Bryan blow-off, or was it Cena’s return, or was it the promise of Punk getting his hands on Heyman?

Well? Break it down.

[dave]

The WWE blew it with Bryan by making it clear he wasn't their guy and the PPVs would mean nothing. No matter how they ended, Bryan wasn't going to be the guy. Why would any Daniel Bryan fan buy a PPV knowing he (and his fans) are gonna get screwed in the end? PPVs are expensive. The WWE, for whatever reason, did this to themselves.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The WWE blew it with Bryan by making it clear he wasn't their guy and the PPVs would mean nothing. No matter how they ended, Bryan wasn't going to be the guy. Why would any Daniel Bryan fan buy a PPV knowing he (and his fans) are gonna get screwed in the end? PPVs are expensive. The WWE, for whatever reason, did this to themselves.

Clearly the booking was shit, but that doesn't really explain why Summer Slam did badly, before the bad booking. I agree with Larry that the build wasn't great, but there was no Authority nonsense yet.

Are we chalking up Hell in a Cell doing well to the Cena return?

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Vince has got it all wrong. With the exception of Wrestlemania, we are out of the period of there being a draw or "attraction." They've got to have the card, and if we re-visit the SummerSlam card, we can see why.

1.) Bray Wyatt and Kane in the gimmick match. Both guys are the drizzling shits and they get booked in a gimmick match together. This made absolutely no sense.

2.) Rhodes vs. Sandow. They spent weeks pushing this angle, including it being the main one on a SmackDown that involved Sandow having the MiTB briefcase remade. So what do they do? The briefcase isn't on the line, and the match is over in under seven minutes.

3.) ADR vs Christian for the WHC. I can't remember positives or negatives from this match, which is both good and bad I guess. These are two guys who can go for 20 minutes, but get 12.

4.) Six Divas tag match, which I guess was because of the Total Divas show. I can guarantee no one was purchasing this PPV because of the Total Divas match, so why waste the time on it? Especially with a mixed-tag up later in the show.

5.) Lesnar vs Punk. Given 25 minutes, great match no complaints.

6.) Ziggler/Kaitlyn vs Langston/AJ. No problems here necessarily, because they did push this feud as well, but given that we already had one match with Divas, put another match in here and give Rhodes/Sandow or ADR/Christian more time. Better yet, take out the other Divas match and have this one instead.

7.) Danielson vs Cena. The minute H's put himself in the match, most of us figured that shenanigans would happen. But why end one of the major PPVs like this? You finally have someone beat Cena clean for his title, the title he got off of the Rock no less, then do the screwjob ending. Most people knew this would happen, so why bother?

And lets not even go into the throwaway pre-show match, where they wasted the Shield and Rob Van Dam, who could have had spots throughout the card.

Middling card=middling show. WWE is going to get what they put out there, and in this case, an average return.

I was pretty hype for the card and SummerSlam ended up being one of, if not the best WWE show of the year.

[Guest]

I was pretty hype for the card and SummerSlam ended up being one of, if not the best WWE show of the year.

I don't mean this as a slight, but feel free to elaborate because I must not be seeing what you are seeing looking back on it.

[Warner2BruceTD]

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[Guest]

So Jeff Hardy said he wrestled his final TNA match, and thanked the fans for support. Could be a work because he can't attend the upcoming UK tour, and I thought he signed on for two years last time.

The swamp is being drained I guess.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I don't mean this as a slight, but feel free to elaborate because I must not be seeing what you are seeing looking back on it.

Daniel Bryan v. John Cena...Bryan finally gets a main event shot...it ends up being a high end four-star match. Top 5 match of the year for the WWE.
CM Punk v. Brock Lesnar...culmination of the Feud of the Year...ends up being the best match in the WWE for the calendar year.
Christian v. Alberto Del Rio...ended up being a really good match.
The rest of the show outside of Wyatt-Kane wasn't insulting.