YNWA: The Liverpool Thread

[CaribbeanJoseph]

I'm not disgusted. I can see exactly why he is gone. I could also understand why he should've been given another year. I would've been fine either way.

There is no reason for him to be gone. If you felt no emotion about this, then you don't understand who Kenny is, what he has done for us and what he means to this club.

You need to go back to RAWK's over moderated message boards and stay in line with the bullshit "true fans do this, true fans believe that" mantra. I've no doubt you were one of the morons who believe a Carling Cup win and losing in the FA final is better than finishing top 4 and earning a shot at the biggest championship in club soccer.

No I'm not, at the start of the season I said 4th was the goal pretty sure I posted it here but at the same time I want us to win stuff because that's what it's all about, yes league performance has been poor but we got to 2 cup finals, finally played at Wembley and we ended our drought even if it was only a shitty cup so I'm not gonna act like that's nothing at the same time. Just making top 4 is not success, look at Arsenal they come top 4 every year but aren't real challengers and haven't won shit for years, I don't wanna be like that, it might be good enough for them but it's not for me and it isn't for Liverpool, we exist to win trophies. I'm well aware we need top 4 to attract the players it's gonna take to win the league which is all I care about at this point and with FFP kicking in soon but I wanna win stuff, just taking part in the CL is not success. It might be acceptable for other clubs but we are Liverpool, we win trophies that is what Liverpool is all about, not this notion that coming 4th and getting CL money is what it's all about.

I want LFC to be the best. Our owners want the same. They believe Kenny is not the man who can get us there and they have a decent argument for it. I do believe who we appoint as our new manager will either cast a more positive or negative light on the firing of Kenny. If we land a proven big name, than it will have been worth it. If we get Roberto Martinez or someone of that ilk it will not have been worth it.

As do I, that is still to be determined, I have my concerns they're just in it to make money and even if it is true serious questions need to be asked about their football knowledge and who's advising them and their absenteeism, they couldn't even make it over for a Merseyside semi. There is no argument for sacking Kenny he was given a 3 year contract and he deserved to be able to see it through. You and any other fan who think we have any shot at a big name or even that Rafa will come back are fucking delusional, it's almost certain to be Martinez, the only other person I can possibly see it being is AVB both will be huge disappointments and you can in no way justify sacking Kenny to hire either of them.

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Stop making sense mgo!

Fuck off back to celebrating coming 7th you bluenose shite

[Fappin Raptor]

Fuck off back to celebrating coming 7th you bluenose shite

Still salty I see. U remain mad.

[mgoblue2290]

Top 4 is a stepping stone. We aren't going to go from this current form to league winners. Winning the league time after time is our long term goal, however in the short term we need to focus on getting back in the top 4 and being competitive with the top teams. Also as I said, if we're in the CL we get better players and more money which increases our chances of winning the league.

I'm well aware we exist to win trophies. I'm not happing with a Carling or losing the final of the FA. The Carling was the highlight of our season which is kind of pathetic. Making to the FA final was nice but at the end of the day we didn't win it.

[wr50l]

Fuck off back to celebrating coming 9th you rednose shite.

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Fuck off back to celebrating coming 9th you rednose shite.

Don't support Fulham

[wr50l]

Oh you finished above Fulham but below Everton? Great season!

[1ke]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1vfC8SdkB

http://www.talktorafa.com/

By the time Liverpool claimed £100,000 in prize money for lifting the Carling Cup in February, Chelsea had already earned a staggering £42m from the Champions League.
Cash, not domestic cups, is king.
For Kenny Dalglish the Carling Cup victory over Cardiff was the start of something special, a throwback to a time when Liverpool had English football licked.
His euphoria was understandable, evoking memories of the club’s first League Cup triumph in 1981 and convinced that Liverpool were on their way back.


In the Boston offices of Fenway Sports Group, the prize money barely registered. It does not even cover a week of Steven Gerrard’s salary.
Top tier, European football is all that matters for the financial speculators and closer examination of the solidarity payments for Chelsea’s triumph last Saturday explains why.
The moment Roman Abramovich’s team finished second in the Barclays Premier League in 2010/11 to qualify automatically for the group stages, the cash till instantly rang to the tune of £3.1m.
They were then drawn to play six group matches, in games against Bayer Leverkusen, Valencia and Genk. For that, they were paid £445,000 per game from UEFA’s TV and marketing pool.
For the three group wins, all of them at Stamford Bridge, they were paid a bonus from the £600m set aside each season. Each win in the group is worth £640,000.
Draws at Valencia and Genk earned them another bonus. This time, £323,000 a point.
By the turn of the year, Chelsea’s gate receipts, participation fees and the share of marketing revenues from the market pool in the Champions League was already touching £42m.
After winning the group, there was the promise of more to come from a second round clash against Napoli.

No money in it: Liverpool's Carling Cup victory was not financially rewarding
They earned £2.42m for overcoming the Italians, another £2.66m for beating Benfica and £3.3m for their remarkable win over Barcelona in last month’s semi-final.
In the final, UEFA paid out another £7.28m after they beat Bayern Munich in the penalty shootout.
Add the gate receipts from the six home games Chelsea staged during their run to the final and it represents another £2.4m in income for each game.
As Fenway sift through a depressingly shallow list of candidates to replace Dalglish as manager, Chelsea will be preparing to bank a cheque in excess of £50m from the Champions League alone.
There was a time when domestic silverware meant something in English football, but the UEFA Champions League has changed the rules.

Outdated: Kenny Dalglish
It’s top four or nothing now for English clubs indulging in double-digit transfer fees and super-sized salaries for the star turns.
The domestic trophy count is largely irrelevant for the modern-day investors, a day out at Wembley and some corporate hospitality courtesy of the sponsors the only perk.
Back in 1981, when Dalglish was King, Liverpool won the League Cup for the first time.
They beat West Ham (1981), Tottenham (1982), Manchester United (1983) and Everton (1984) and Dalglish was in every Liverpool since.
Since then they have added the League Cup another four times, but they are becoming lost in the financial fog of Fenway Sports Group.
By the time Dalglish returned as Liverpool manager to replace Roy Hodgson in January 2011, the face of English football had changed forever.
Dalglish needed to be dragged kicking and screaming in to the modern world, but he was obsessed with the idea of winning their first trophy for seven years.
The last was the European Cup triumph under Rafa Benitez, a run to Istanbul that earned Liverpool £24.27m.
Their last appearance in the Champions League was in 2010, when they finished third in Group E behind Fiorentina and Lyon.
As they will discover next season, when a new television and marketing deal kicks in, missing out on Champions League football means another £24.27m black hole at the bare minimum.
There will be 60 broadcasters around the world next season, a record number for a competition that continues to expand.

In the money: Roman Abramovich (right) finally won the trophy he craved
Audience figures for last Saturday’s final in the Allianz Arena are now bigger than the annual Super Bowl, one of the statistics that persuaded Fenway Sports Group that football is the future.
Liverpool’s owners, like every other club playing at the high end of the Premier League, would sacrifice domestic Cup success for a place in the Champions League.
The money means that much to the clubs, even in an off season.
Chelsea, beaten by Manchester United in the quarter-final last season, still earned a staggering £35.861m from the competition.
United’s television and marketing payments topped out at £43.039m for reaching last season’s final against Barcelona at Wembley, let alone ticket sales from their six home matches.
Next season the solidarity payments are on the increase again, but Liverpool are already lagging behind.
The fans want classic ties against Juventus, Milan, Barcelona and Real Madrid, a reminder of the days when they were kings of Europe.

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Martinez has been offered the job

[kyhadley]

Martinez has been offered the job

Denied by Liverpool ownership.

Football speculation in general has to be the worst, I literally believe nothing until I hear a contract has been signed.

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Denied by Liverpool ownership.

Football speculation in general has to be the worst, I literally believe nothing until I hear a contract has been signed.

Of course they would and as far as I'm aware they've just declined to comment.

There is absolutely no reason for Martinez to tell Whelan that if it wasn't true.

[mgoblue2290]

Whelan has been running his mouth for a week now. Must be his way of trying to keep in the spotlight.

I wouldn't be happy with Roberto Martinez. Too big of a jump.

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Search is over apparently, Rodgers is favorite but he had a 2 hour meeting with the Swansea chairman and as far as they are concerned there has been no approach from us so it must be Martinez

[calgaryballer]

On one hand, I want Roberto to dominate and rub all of England's worst fan base in their own words.

On the other hand... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Happy Birthday Captain Fantastic