40 years from now...

[Warner2BruceTD]

The thing is, some people dont know a thing about Kanye outside of what they hear on the radio so they wont appreciate him as much. They think what they hear on the radio is what his whole album is about

That reminds me of (kinda OT) when Andre3000 came out with Hey Ya, people weren't aware that Outkast was a 2 person group and was surprised when they listened to his (their) non-mainstream songs

But I can say this about a million bands/groups/acts. Don't confuse quality with what we are debating here.

I remind you of the Velvet Underground analogy.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Well like Relaxed said earlier(and you agreed to), with time all the insignificant things surrounding an artist will disappear and they'll only have their music


Kanye is looked at as a serious hip hop artist. So 10 years from now my sons(assuming they like hip hop) will discover and explore Kanye's music. Just like hip hop fans of my age went back and listened to Tupac and Biggie even though we were too young to really remember them.
Also in the same way that "true artist" like Tupac appeal to people who are mainly fans of other genres, Kanye will do the same which will attract a more broader audience in the future when he's done.

Brittney Spears on the other hand is a silly pop star. Once she's done nobody will care about her music. There was a time when MC Hammer was bigger then N.W.A, but how many people today go back and check out his catalogue over N.W.A's? Yeah N'sync was huge, but how many young pop fans are going back and downloading their albums?

Kanye is an artist that speaks the truth, and that will never be "here today, gone tomorrow".

20 years from now people will be able to feel the emotion from this song as strong as people can now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZOy6t1vVtE


Who the hell will care about "Oops I did it again" 20 years from now?

Its like 13-14 years later and they care about it now.

That pop shit from the boy bands is like most old folks hearing Hotel California or Stairway to Heaven, just from far less talented acts.

 

[Houston]

Its like 13-14 years later and they care about it now.

That pop shit from the boy bands is like most old folks hearing Hotel California or Stairway to Heaven, just from far less talented acts.

Ok.

So 30 years from now Brittney Spears will be "that pop star with that one song".

While Kanye West will be viewed as a serious artist who won many Grammy and was featured on many "Best album of the decade/year" list.


Sir Mix-a-lot's "Baby Got Back" is more recognizable then any song by Pearl Jam.

But today when people go back and check out older music what's more likely to happen....a hip hop fan downloading a Sir Mix-a-Lot album, or a rock fan downloading a Pearl Jam album?

I can see a ton of people who aren't even born yet downloading and checking out Kanye's albums 20 years from now. How many pop fans ever bother going back and listening to old pop instead of just sticking with what's on the radio?

Do pop fans still listen to N'Sync the way rock fans still listen to Pearl Jam? No.

20 years from now will pop fans listen to Brittney Spears the way hip hop fans will still listen to Kanye West? No.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Ok.

So 30 years from now Brittney Spears will be "that pop star with that one song".

While Kanye West will be viewed as a serious artist who won many Grammy and was featured on many "Best album of the decade/year" list.


Sir Mix-a-lot's "Baby Got Back" is more recognizable then any song by Pearl Jam.

But today when people go back and check out older music what's more likely to happen....a hip hop fan downloading a Sir Mix-a-Lot album, or a rock fan downloading a Pearl Jam album?

I can see a ton of people who aren't even born yet downloading and checking out Kanye's albums 20 years from now. How many pop fans ever bother going back and listening to old pop instead of just sticking with what's on the radio?

Do pop fans still listen to N'Sync the way rock fans still listen to Pearl Jam? No.

20 years from now will pop fans listen to Brittney Spears the way hip hop fans will still listen to Kanye West? No.

You are deviating from the point.

Britney Spears is more famous and recognizable than Kanye now, and will be 20 years from now. And 40 years from now. It doesnt matter who is more critically acclaimed.

Look, I dont know if Kanye will be "remembered" or not by the masses. I lean towards no, because he's peaking now and he isnt nearly as famous as some of you think.

But I know for damn sure that Spears will be remembered. She's a superstar, a cultural icon, an important pop culture figure of the 90's/00's.

Kanye West is important within his hip hop niche. He is a star within his world. Outside of his wheelhouse, he's a name people might know, but they probably dont know what he is famous for. To put him on the same level as Spears is almost comical. She transcends her shitty music, he does not transcend his.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Lol @ the ignorance in this topic. I can't name one Kanye song off the top of my head. If it wasn't for seeing his name on forums and his antics, I wouldn't know who he was.

Everyone that listens to hip-hop knows who Kanye West is and can name his songs. EVERYONE knows who Britney Spears is and can name some of her songs.

 

[Houston]

Lol @ the ignorance in this topic. I can't name one Kanye song off the top of my head.

That folks, is what you call irony.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

That folks, is what you call irony.

Yes I'm ignorant of Kanye West's music.

But that's good thing

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Here is something interesting.

"The Forbes 100" is a yearly listing of the world's most powerful celebrities. The rankings are based on income, tv/radio visability, press visability, web visability, and social visability (popularity - how well known you are).

Britney Spears, who Pitty and some others who are completely out of touch with reality seem to think is yesterdays news, is ranked #6 in the world, behind only Oprah, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, James Cameron, and Tiger Woods. And that's up from ranking #13 last year.

Yes, clearly Spears is clinging to her celebrity and hasnt been relevent for a decade...please. She just completed the 5th highest grossing tour in the world.

Spears was "only" 64th in income, but ranked 15th in tv/radio, 24th in press, 3rd in web, and 2nd in social visability. That last number means she's really, really famous.

Britney Spears is a fucking MEGA STAR, it's insulting to Spears to suggest that Kanye West is in the same universe as her in terms of popularity and visability.

If you are wondering where Kanye came in on the list, the answer is he didn't rank at all. Surprised? I'm not.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/22/la...business-entertainment-celeb-100-10_land.html

 

[Houston]

At the end of this period every last thing that the artist built their career around will have been stripped bare and all that is left is their music. If this music is good enough then it will be rediscovered and they will be reborn and live forever. If it isn't then the only way they will be remembered is as a joke.

This is the post I was referring to.


Britney Spears is a shitty pop star(as you yourself admitted Warner). So what makes you think anyone will be rediscovering her music 40 years from now?

Kanye West is an artist who has as I already mentioned, won many Grammys and has been places on numerous "best of the year/decade" list.


40 years from now when people no longer care about Brittney Spears cutting her hair, or about how she dances in her videos. What artist do you think more people will come back to?


I even posted examples of how this is currently happening as we speak. People are still going back to Pearl Jam, making their artistry relevant. While nobody is going back to download Sir Mix-a-lot albums.

The same will happen to Kanye and Brittney.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

This is the post I was referring to.


Britney Spears is a shitty pop star(as you yourself admitted Warner). So what makes you think anyone will be rediscovering her music 40 years from now?

Kanye West is an artist who has as I already mentioned, won many Grammys and has been places on numerous "best of the year/decade" list.


40 years from now when people no longer care about Brittney Spears cutting her hair, or about how she dances in her videos. What artist do you think more people will come back to?

Kanye is a hip hop star. Very well known in that fragmented world.

Spears is a superstar. Very well known by everyone. One of the most famous people on earth.

I dont know why this is so hard to understand.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I even posted examples of how this is currently happening as we speak. People are still going back to Pearl Jam, making their artistry relevant. While nobody is going back to download Sir Mix-a-lot albums.

The same will happen to Kanye and Brittney.

And why do you keep making this shitty analogy?

Sir Mix A Lot was a one hit wonder gimmick act. Britney Spears is a superstar with multiple #1 hits and platinum records.

Pearl Jam has always been more relevant, famous, and recognizable than Sir Mix A Lot.

And none of this has anything to do with the fact that Kanye isnt nearly as famous as you think he is.

 

[Houston]

bama:

You yourself said you couldn't name 1 Kanye West song. So right off the back I have to question what you say about him.

Then you try and tell me how unpopular he is. Well I have to think your opinion is a little biased based on the fact that you don't know anything about his music.


For about a full week Kanye was all the rage on pop culture media because of him interrupting Taylor Swift at the Grammy's.
A few years before he was all over TV for calling George Bush a racist. Even more serious news channels like Fox and CNN talked about that.

Add the multiple #1 albums and huge hits he's had.
Add all the Grammy's he's won.

Add the 35 minute short film he had that simultaneously aired on both MTV channels, BET, and VH1. In the same way that Prince, M.J. and Pink Floyd had Purple Rain, Thriller, and The Wall short films. Good company, no?

Add the fact that he premiered a 9 minute song at the MTV awards(watched by pop fans) then closed at Coachella(watched by indie fans)


And I have you telling me that he's inside of a "fragmented world" and hasn't transcended hip hop?

:jonesy:

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I've gone from being a fan to not caring. At both junctions it always boggled my mind just how over valued rap/hiphop heads take there genre. You guys really have no idea how little people give a shit.

Outside of hiphop stations hiphop doesn't get air or netplay. Noone 'avoids' mj madonna Britney GaGa etc. A vast majority avoid hip hop.
Its called POP music for a reason. When the fuck did you last hear a rakim or krsone song on anything but dedicated rap stations?? Yet some flash in the pan like Donna Summer who's frigging genre lasted 5 years still gets airtime on damn near every station with listeners over 10.

This isn't even touching on the fact rap just went through the worst decade of its music and Kanye didn't get shot to death. A kid may *discover* Kanye in 25 years but by the time he does he'll probably know 2 or 3 Britney and GaGa songs by heart.

Its Britney by a country mile. Fair or not it's the likelyhood.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

bama:

You yourself said you couldn't name 1 Kanye West song. So right off the back I have to question what you say about him.

Then you try and tell me how unpopular he is. Well I have to think your opinion is a little biased based on the fact that you don't know anything about his music.


For about a full week Kanye was all the rage on pop culture media because of him interrupting Taylor Swift at the Grammy's.
A few years before he was all over TV for calling George Bush a racist. Even more serious news channels like Fox and CNN talked about that.

Add the multiple #1 albums and huge hits he's had.
Add all the Grammy's he's won.

Add the 35 minute short film he had that simultaneously aired on both MTV channels, BET, and VH1. In the same way that Prince, M.J. and Pink Floyd had Purple Rain, Thriller, and The Wall short films. Good company, no?

Add the fact that he premiered a 9 minute song at the MTV awards(watched by pop fans) then closed at Coachella(watched by indie fans)


And I have you telling me that he's inside of a "fragmented world" and hasn't transcended hip hop?

:jonesy:

I'm not sure what you want to hear out of me.

Despite all of that random assortment of stuff that you listed, you are still severly overrating his fame. He still isnt close to being as famous as Spears.

He's very famous in the hip hop world. Good for him. Headlining some indy rock show that .01% of the population has heard of doesnt make him some sort of crossover star. Nobody cares.

A few weeks of contraversy doesnt make him a crossover star. I will admit, he is much more famous mainstream for the Swift/Bush incidents than he ever will be for his career. But those 15 minutes have long passed.

Hip hop star. Well known to the 18-35 crowd. Not a cultural superstar like Spears. He just isnt. Even considering his short film that I never knew existed until I read it in your post 2 mnutes ago, that you laughably compared to Thriller, The Wall, & Purple Rain.

 

[Shwayzed]

In my humble opinion, I believe that Kanye is more influential/famous than you think he is, Warner.

Rolling Stones Top 100 songs of the 2000's:
Jesus Walks - #19
Gold Digger - #29

Rolling Stones Top 100 Albums of the 2000's:
The College Dropout - #10
Late Registration - #40
Graduation - #45
808's & Heartbreak - #63

Rolling Stones Top 500 Songs of All Time(2010 Revision):
Jesus Walks - #273

Billboard's All Time Top 100:
Gold Digger - #49

Billboard Hot 100 Songs of the Decade:
Gold Digger - #9

Gold Digger is the 9th most successful U.S. single of all time.
Heartless is one of the best selling singles of all time.

There is still more to come from him.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Add the 35 minute short film he had that simultaneously aired on both MTV channels, BET, and VH1. In the same way that Prince, M.J. and Pink Floyd had Purple Rain, Thriller, and The Wall short films. Good company, no?

And not a single fuck was given. The most influential thing was having idiots at hypebeast break down his wardrobe and figure which carerras he had on.
This ain't 1986. Where purple rain or thriller was all people had to talk about for weeks/months on end. Even white grandparents were buying Thriller albums. The biggest thing related to MTV the last 15 years is jersey shore...vh1 was flavor of love. COMBINED veiwership of about 10 million.
Michael jackson's black or white video debuted simultaneously in 27 countries and was witnessed by over 500 million worldwide.
Think about that.

 

[Houston]

Wow.


Now Kanye is only well known to the 18-35 crowd?
Well I guess that means nobody in High School listens to him, lol.
Ironically when most of the VSNers who listen to him, started. They were in middle school. But whatever....


So you consider Brittney Spears a crossover star?
Funny, I don't ever recall hearing her on a hip hip or rock station. Only top 40.
Kanye by the way, appears on both hip hop and top 40 stations.


I would give "Stronger" as a example of a huge crossover hit(reached #1 in the country), but I'm guessing it'd be pointless because you've never heard of the song before.


I'm through though, this is dumb. How am I suppose to debate Kanye's popularity and relevance with someone who hardly knows anything about him.
You laugh at my "comparison" to Thriller, The Wall, & Purple Rain when you don't even know what album I'm talking about. 5 mins ago you didn't know the short film existed and now you can already laugh at it?

I give up.

 

[Houston]

And not a single fuck was given. The most influential thing was having idiots at hypebeast break down his wardrobe and figure which carerras he had on.
This ain't 1986. Where purple rain or thriller was all people had to talk about for weeks/months on end. Even white grandparents were buying Thriller albums. The biggest thing related to MTV the last 15 years is jersey shore...vh1 was flavor of love. COMBINED veiwership of about 10 million.
Michael jackson's black or white video debuted simultaneously in 27 countries and was witnessed by over 500 million worldwide.
Think about that.

Kanye West is the only active artist to have even done it.

Think about that.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

In my humble opinion, I believe that Kanye is more influential/famous than you think he is, Warner.

Rolling Stones Top 100 songs of the 2000's:
Jesus Walks - #19
Gold Digger - #29

Rolling Stones Top 100 Albums of the 2000's:
The College Dropout - #10
Late Registration - #40
Graduation - #45
808's & Heartbreak - #63

Rolling Stones Top 500 Songs of All Time(2010 Revision):
Jesus Walks - #273

Billboard's All Time Top 100:
Gold Digger - #49

Billboard Hot 100 Songs of the Decade:
Gold Digger - #9

Gold Digger is the 9th most successful U.S. single of all time.
Heartless is one of the best selling singles of all time.

There is still more to come from him.

Lol whoomp there it is and I saw the sign were just a few spots next to him. That's hardly good memorable company.

http://submeg.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/best-selling-singles-of-all-time/
Yeah well there's a bunch if spears perrys and gagas ahead of him. At least crack the top 50 before calling it one if the greatest sellers of all time.
By these standards Charlie Garner and Rodney Hampton are some of the greatest running backs of all time.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Wow.


Now Kanye is only well known to the 18-35 crowd?
Well I guess that means nobody in High School listens to him, lol.
Ironically when most of the VSNers who listen to him, started. They were in middle school. But whatever....


So you consider Brittney Spears a crossover star?
Funny, I don't ever recall hearing her on a hip hip or rock station. Only top 40.
Kanye by the way, appears on both hip hop and top 40 stations.


I would give "Stronger" as a example of a huge crossover hit(reached #1 in the country), but I'm guessing it'd be pointless because you've never heard of the song before.


I'm through though, this is dumb. How am I suppose to debate Kanye's popularity and relevance with someone who hardly knows anything about him.
You laugh at my "comparison" to Thriller, The Wall, & Purple Rain when you don't even know what album I'm talking about. 5 mins ago you didn't know the short film existed and now you can already laugh at it?

I give up.

Yeah, because if it was half as relevant as something like Thriller or Purple Rain, don't you think there is a good chance i'd know what the fuck you were talking about?

I know you werent around in 1983, but I can assure you, everyone on the planet (yes, the PLANET) was aware of Thriller. To compare Kanye to Michael f'n Jackson is just retarded. Britney was silly enough, now its obvious you are just completely lost.

And maybe I used bad verbiage, but what I meant by crossover star was that Spears is a really famous person. Kanye isnt. He's well known inhip hop and by hardcore music fans. Spears is an iconic personality.

Keep in mind I have no dog in this fight, I think both Spears and Kanye make really, really shitty music.