40 years from now...

[Warner2BruceTD]

Kanye West is the only active artist to have even done it.

Think about that.

LOL, who cares?

Nobody watches MTV anymore compared to 30 years ago, and nobody has ever watched BET.

We are talking big picture here, you are talking small potatos.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Here is something interesting.

"The Forbes 100" is a yearly listing of the world's most powerful celebrities. The rankings are based on income, tv/radio visability, press visability, web visability, and social visability (popularity - how well known you are).

Britney Spears, who Pitty and some others who are completely out of touch with reality seem to think is yesterdays news, is ranked #6 in the world, behind only Oprah, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, James Cameron, and Tiger Woods. And that's up from ranking #13 last year.

Yes, clearly Spears is clinging to her celebrity and hasnt been relevent for a decade...please. She just completed the 5th highest grossing tour in the world.

Spears was "only" 64th in income, but ranked 15th in tv/radio, 24th in press, 3rd in web, and 2nd in social visability. That last number means she's really, really famous.

Britney Spears is a fucking MEGA STAR, it's insulting to Spears to suggest that Kanye West is in the same universe as her in terms of popularity and visability.

If you are wondering where Kanye came in on the list, the answer is he didn't rank at all. Surprised? I'm not.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/22/la...business-entertainment-celeb-100-10_land.html

Bumped so Houston can ignore this again.

Spears is the #6 celebrity in the world based on measurable factors. That's crossing over. She is mainstream, she is engrained in the culture, she is a superstar.

Kanye is nowhere to be found, despite his indy show gigs, sweet Rolling Stone reviews, and super duper short film that nobody cares about.

I'm sure Kanye would make a hip hop list. You know, his fragmented genre where he is really popular.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Kanye West is the only active artist to have even done it.

Think about that.

Evidently he's also the only person who cared.

W2b Already posted the most significant piece of material. Britney is and has been bigger than Kanye. Her music will last no matter how inferior you may think it is. Its safe its easy to sell buy or package for decades to come. Kanye is not. Plain and simple

 

[Houston]

Yeah, because if it was half as relevant as something like Thriller or Purple Rain, don't you think there is a good chance i'd know what the fuck you were talking about?

I know you werent around in 1983, but I can assure you, everyone on the planet (yes, the PLANET) was aware of Thriller. To compare Kanye to Michael f'n Jackson is just retarded. Britney was silly enough, now its obvious you are just completely lost.

I didn't compare them in the sense that I was saying Kanye's video was as good.

I was giving you examples of past short film videos so you'd know what I was talking about.

LOL, who cares?

Nobody watches MTV anymore compared to 30 years ago, and nobody has ever watched BET.

We are talking big picture here, you are talking small potatos.

The point isn't who watched it, the point is who did it. Kanye West.

No small artist in a "fragmented world" would get the chance to do what he did. That's the point.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I didn't compare them in the sense that I was saying Kanye's video was as good.

I was giving you examples of past short film videos so you'd know what I was talking about.




The point isn't who watched it, the point is who did it Kanye west.

Da fuck?

Is this one of those if a tree falls in the forest type philosophical questions ?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I didn't compare them in the sense that I was saying Kanye's video was as good.

I was giving you examples of past short film videos so you'd know what I was talking about.




The point isn't who watched it, the point is who did it. Kanye West.

No small artist in a "fragmented world" would get the chance to do what he did. That's the point.

Never called him a "small artist". I said he isnt nearly as famous as you think, and I did say he's a big star in his world.

I'm not claiming he's a nobody. I'm saying his fame does not extend greatly beyond his genre. He's ignored by non fans. You cant ignore someone like Spears or The Beatles or Madonna or Beyonce or Rolling Stones or Elvis or Michael Jackson. All of these people are of varying degrees of fame that Kanye cant touch. Instantly recognizable mega stars.

 

[Houston]

Da fuck?

Is this one of those if a tree falls in the forest type philosophical questions ?

No,

I'm saying that it doesn't matter if only 10 people watched it, and nobody talked about it after.
At the end of the day no star who hasn't crossed over would even have the opportunity to be on all of those channels at the same time.

 

[Shwayzed]

Never called him a "small artist". I said he isnt nearly as famous as you think, and I did say he's a big star in his world.

I'm not claiming he's a nobody. I'm saying his fame does not extend greatly beyond his genre. He's ignored by non fans. You cant ignore someone like Spears or The Beatles or Madonna or Beyonce or Rolling Stones or Elvis or Michael Jackson. All of these people are of varying degrees of fame that Kanye cant touch. Instantly recognizable mega stars.

You say you can't ignore Spears, but you made a point that in this day & age you can choose to ignore/not listen to anyone you want.


:lolwut:

 

[Houston]

Bumped so Houston can ignore this again.

I didn't ignore it, I've already addressed it the 2 times I referenced Relaxedanderson's post.


If what he said is true.....then with time all of that stuff Forbes mention will fade away and Brittney will only have her music.

Since Kanye West music holds up better then Brittney's. What makes you think that future generations will listen to her over Kanye West?

 

[Shwayzed]

Lol whoomp there it is and I saw the sign were just a few spots next to him. That's hardly good memorable company.

http://submeg.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/best-selling-singles-of-all-time/
Yeah well there's a bunch if spears perrys and gagas ahead of him. At least crack the top 50 before calling it one if the greatest sellers of all time.
By these standards Charlie Garner and Rodney Hampton are some of the greatest running backs of all time.

Whoomp there it is and I saw the sign are very memorable songs. How is that bad memorable company?

Plus, I was never comparing spears and kanye. Only houston & warner are doing that. I was just saying I feel as if Warner is downplaying Kanye's fame, and made that post to show he is widely recognized. Seriously though, can we stop de-railing this thread? You've turned "who will still be listened to in 40 years.." to "Who is a bigger star: Kanye or Brittney".

:edit: didn't call it a greatest seller. Said it was a best seller. It was on a best seller list, which makes it a best seller. Thank you very much.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

No,

I'm saying that it doesn't matter if only 10 people watched it, and nobody talked about it after.
At the end of the day no star who hasn't crossed over would even have the opportunity to be on all of those channels at the same time.

Much like the way you are overrating his fame, you are also overrating this "accomplishment" of his short film/video airing on four networks at once. It's really not that big of a deal.

I mean, did MTV have to preempt an episode of "Teen Mom" to squeeze it into the timeslot?

And I dont think anyone is arguing that he isnt a big deal to the MTV or BET crowd. I agree with that.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You say you can't ignore Spears, but you made a point that in this day & age you can choose to ignore/not listen to anyone you want.


:lolwut:

Right, you cant ignore Spears because she transcends her music at this point, she's a mega star.

Kanye is a musician (I guess, but thats a different argument entirely) who doesnt transcend shit. To compare his fame to Spears is laughable.

Spears has also been around for like 15 years. Hit Me Baby One More Time came out in 96 or 97.

 

[Shwayzed]

I might be looking at the wrong list, but im on forbes.com looking at the celebrity 100 for 2011.. and I can't find Brittney Spears anywhere.

:Edit: I did find Kanye though.


Kanye - 84th in Money, 44th in TV/Radio, 46th in Press, 8th in Web, 15th in Social. 76th overall.

 

[Rudi]

Don't sleep on Usher. Dude has an MJ-esque aura about him. Might transcend the generations

 

[Senser81]

Sir Mix A Lot was a one hit wonder gimmick act.

Disagree. Chief Boot-knocka was a great album, it was just marketed poorly.

 

[MvP]

Good argument, but I feel like some of the older posters are forgetting that the high school/college crowd here that have been arguing for Kanye West are going to be the ones remembering and passing down this generation of music 40 years from now, not you guys.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think I may be misinterpreting "remembered". I'm looking at this in terms of these people becoming icons. Maybe that's too high of a standard.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I asked my Abuela (Cuban Grandmother) "Who is Brittney Spears?" She had no idea.

HOWEVER

She does know who Randy Savage is and knew his finishing move.

Savage > Spears.

 

[Houston]

Good argument, but I feel like some of the older posters are forgetting that the high school/college crowd here that have been arguing for Kanye West are going to be the ones remembering and passing down this generation of music 40 years from now, not you guys.

Exactly.

Also since our music isn't as good as the music of the 60's and 70's I think they're thinking we won't remember it.


We might not have any Pink Floyds or Led Zeppelins to grow up with, but we do have what we have. Kanye West is considered by many to be the best hip hop artist of this generation. Just because some older crowds might not respect hip hop doesn't mean the younger generations is gonna forget about it with time.

The funny thing is that Kanye West is one of the artist moving hip hop away from the "here today, gone tomorrow" shit and more into something that will last.
Warner my point with that Kanye video I posted, is that it's not about gold chains, cars, or gangs. It's about a guy going through the pain of losing his grandma in a hospital. What makes you think people won't be able to connect with that 40 years from now?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm bowing out. I'm probably taking the idea of the thread too far, and confusing 'remembered' with something bigger.