40 years from now...

[Senser81]

Phil Spector.
Brian Eno.
George Martin.
Quincy Jones.

There are plenty of great producers with name value. If you don't know, then that is your own ignorance.

Is Kanye one? I dunno...he definitely is well known in hip hop and will go down as one of the better producers ala Rick Rubin, Dr. Dre, and Timbaland of all times in that circle.

Nice ipso facto with George Martin. The only reason anyone would remember George Martin is because of his association with the Beatles. The same might even be true of Phil Spector.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Nice ipso facto with George Martin. The only reason anyone would remember George Martin is because of his association with the Beatles. The same might even be true of Phil Spector.

Martin, I'd agree with you...Spector, not so much.

 

[Pitty]

So are you trying to tell me that Kanye is more recognizable, and more entrenched in american culture, than Britney Spears?

Are you trolling?

Britney Spears transcends the pop bubble. Kanye does not. Nobody over 30 knows who the fuck he is.

This is the most ignorant statement in the thread. Because you can't name a Kanye song, no one over 30 know who he is? Accept it that Kanye West is more relevant today than Britney Spears. The fact that every single one of his albums is multiple platinum should tell you that people over 30 know who he is, since they are the only people still paying for albums.

 

[Senser81]

This is the most ignorant statement in the thread. Because you can't name a Kanye song, no one over 30 know who he is? Accept it that Kanye West is more relevant today than Britney Spears. The fact that every single one of his albums is multiple platinum should tell you that people over 30 know who he is, since they are the only people still paying for albums.

In 2001, Britney Spears became a spokesperson for Pepsi. Spears' contract concluded with an advertisement with Pink and Beyonce. The ad was made featuring the cover of the song "We Will Rock You" by Queen.


According to allhiphop.com, in 2005, a rumor spread that the newest spokesperson for Pepsi, Kanye West, was dropped after a comment made against President George W. Bush. Nicole Bradley, public relations manager of Pepsi, clarified that the company's relationship with West had not changed and their marketing will continue as planned.

 

[Pitty]

In 2001, Britney Spears became a spokesperson for Pepsi. Spears' contract concluded with an advertisement with Pink and Beyonce. The ad was made featuring the cover of the song "We Will Rock You" by Queen.


According to allhiphop.com, in 2005, a rumor spread that the newest spokesperson for Pepsi, Kanye West, was dropped after a comment made against President George W. Bush. Nicole Bradley, public relations manager of Pepsi, clarified that the company's relationship with West had not changed and their marketing will continue as planned.

The only thing Spears is famous for nowadays is flashing her cooter, and that happened half a decade ago. No one remembers, or cares for, her music.


:yao:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

This is the most ignorant statement in the thread. Because you can't name a Kanye song, no one over 30 know who he is? Accept it that Kanye West is more relevant today than Britney Spears. The fact that every single one of his albums is multiple platinum should tell you that people over 30 know who he is, since they are the only people still paying for albums.

Define relevant. Relevant in the music world? Relevant in terms of lasting fame?

He is not more famous that Spears. I would argue she is significantly more famous. I would also argue that her music is far more identifiable, despite the fact she peaked close to a decade ago.

You are severly overrating the cultural signifigance of Kanye West. The reasons for this are right under your fucking nose in this thread. but you are ignoring it.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Isnt it funny how Spears hasnt had a hit record in god knows how long, yet is still ridiculously famous and identifiable today?

If Kanye West disappeared tommorow, who would be able to idnetify him in a decade? As I said earlier, i'm fairly certain most people woildnt know him if he knocked on the front door.

 

[Pitty]

Define relevant. Relevant in the music world? Relevant in terms of lasting fame?

He is not more famous that Spears. I would argue she is significantly more famous. I would also argue that her music is far more identifiable, despite the fact she peaked close to a decade ago.

You are severly overrating the cultural signifigance of Kanye West. The reasons for this are right under your fucking nose in this thread. but you are ignoring it.

Or that you are discrediting that Kanye hasn't peaked yet. Fun fact, since Kanye's debut in 2004, not a single Britney Spears release has outsold his.

I'm not ignoring anything. You're saying the guy who is outselling almost every artist not named Perry or Gaga, has won many awards for being known (most influential person/man/etc) performs within a bubble, unknown to anyone over the age of adolescence. Since when is Kanye not an international superstar? Did I miss something? Did I miss him spanning across almost every genre? I don't care if you like/hate his music. He is the most well known male artist of the 2000's.

You realistically expect me to believe that if I asked a person aged 30+ who Kanye West is, they wouldn't know?

 

[Golden Taters]

Being from Seattle, my area will at least be keeping the grunge scene alive far into the future. Even if it's basically dead, elsewhere.

I don't really listen to any rap or pop music so I can't really comment on what effect those artists will have.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Or that you are discrediting that Kanye hasn't peaked yet. Fun fact, since Kanye's debut in 2004, not a single Britney Spears release has outsold his.

I'm not ignoring anything. You're saying the guy who is outselling almost every artist not named Perry or Gaga, has won many awards for being known (most influential person/man/etc) performs within a bubble, unknown to anyone over the age of adolescence. Since when is Kanye not an international superstar? Did I miss something? Did I miss him spanning across almost every genre? I don't care if you like/hate his music. He is the most well known male artist of the 2000's.

You realistically expect me to believe that if I asked a person aged 30+ who Kanye West is, they wouldn't know?

There are three people around that age in this thread who admitted to knowing the name, but could not identify with his music and didnt know any of his songs. And two of those people (heels & relaxed) are gigantic music fans.

I would bet nearly EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON ON THIS SITE not only knows who Britney Spears is, but can instantly recognize her music. She is far more recognizable that West, I don't even think it's worth debating, frankly.

I knew his name, and after investigating, recognized some of his songs. And even though I knew the songs, I wouldnt have known most of them were his if they had come on the radio or whatever.

And i'm your perfect test subject to determine how "memorable" or "recognizable" he is, because im not part of his fan base and I dont enjoy his genre of music. If he was so transcendent of his bubble (you know, like a real famous musician like Spears), his fame and recognizability (is that a word?) would extend to people like me. White guys over 30 who think his music sucks, and wouldnt be caught dead listening to it. Eminem, Spears, and a host of others succeed in this, West falls short.

I dont care if you think he's more talented, or if he's more critically acclaimed. That doesnt mean anything in terms of the question in the OP.

 

[Pitty]

There are three people around that age in this thread who admitted to knowing the name, but could not identify with his music and didnt know any of his songs. And two of those people (heels & relaxed) are gigantic music fans.

I would bet nearly EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON ON THIS SITE not only knows who Britney Spears is, but can instantly recognize her music. She is far more recognizable that West, I don't even think it's worth debating, frankly.

I knew his name, and after investigating, recognized some of his songs. And even though I knew the songs, I wouldnt have known most of them were his if they had come on the radio or whatever.

And i'm your perfect test subject to determine how "memorable" or "recognizable" he is, because im not part of his fan base and I dont enjoy his genre of music. If he was so transcendent of his bubble (you know, like a real famous musician like Spears), his fame and recognizability (is that a word?) would extend to people like me. White guys over 30 who think his music sucks, and wouldnt be caught dead listening to it. Eminem, Spears, and a host of others succeed in this, West falls short.

I dont care if you think he's more talented, or if he's more critically acclaimed. That doesnt mean anything in terms of the question in the OP.

Every single argument you are making is based on your own perception. You're the only person on this site who doesn't know a Kanye song off the top of their head. The fact that you say this gives you no credence to say anything about his music. You don't listen to him, how could you possibly know his bubble? He's ranged from Rap to Pop, R&B to Indie, rock to New Wave. He has a much more diverse catalog than any other current popular musician.

Critical acclaim and Album sales don't determine a lasting legacy? Then what does? Your arbitrary "broadness" of someone's music?

If he doesn't have a broad fanbase, how did he get bookings at traditionally indie/alternative/folk concerts like Coachella and Bonnaroo?

No matter how many times you mention this retarded bubble concept, no one is for a second accepting that Kanye is stuck within one.

Also, Britney Spears Career: 1997-2011, Kanye West's Career: 2004-2011. Mentioning that someone who has been around twice as long is more recognizable right now is so fucking stupid. I'd be willing to bet a fair sum that Baby Boomers remember the Monkees more than Britney Spears, does that make a cheap Beatles TV ripoff have a legacy? No.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Every single argument you are making is based on your own perception. You're the only person on this site who doesn't know a Kanye song off the top of their head. The fact that you say this gives you no credence to say anything about his music. You don't listen to him, how could you possibly know his bubble? He's ranged from Rap to Pop, R&B to Indie, rock to New Wave. He has a much more diverse catalog than any other current popular musician.

Critical acclaim and Album sales don't determine a lasting legacy? Then what does? Your arbitrary "broadness" of someone's music?

If he doesn't have a broad fanbase, how did he get bookings at traditionally indie/alternative/folk concerts like Coachella and Bonnaroo?

No matter how many times you mention this retarded bubble concept, no one is for a second accepting that Kanye is stuck within one.

Wrong. Multiple people IN THIS THREAD have admitted this.

I bet nearly everyone knows a Britney Spears song, though.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Are your parents more likely to know who Spears is, or Kanye West?

The answer is obvious.

 

[Pitty]

Are your parents more likely to know who Spears is, or Kanye West?

The answer is obvious.

They know both of them, because they live on earth.

 

[Realist]

There are three people around that age in this thread who admitted to knowing the name, but could not identify with his music and didnt know any of his songs. And two of those people (heels & relaxed) are gigantic music fans.

I would bet nearly EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON ON THIS SITE not only knows who Britney Spears is, but can instantly recognize her music. She is far more recognizable that West, I don't even think it's worth debating, frankly.

I knew his name, and after investigating, recognized some of his songs. And even though I knew the songs, I wouldnt have known most of them were his if they had come on the radio or whatever.

And i'm your perfect test subject to determine how "memorable" or "recognizable" he is, because im not part of his fan base and I dont enjoy his genre of music. If he was so transcendent of his bubble (you know, like a real famous musician like Spears), his fame and recognizability (is that a word?) would extend to people like me. White guys over 30 who think his music sucks, and wouldnt be caught dead listening to it. Eminem, Spears, and a host of others succeed in this, West falls short.

I dont care if you think he's more talented, or if he's more critically acclaimed. That doesnt mean anything in terms of the question in the OP.

I can see your overall point, but I just can't figure out how you assume (and yes I do believe it's an assumption) that people can just point out a Spears sound but can't point out Kanye unless they are under 30. I believe thats a stretch in itself.

I went to see hangover 2 this weekend and we sat next to an old white couple and when they played a snippet of Kanye's song, they knew it. I'm sure there are plenty of examples that could go both ways.

Quite honestly, U probably know some of Brittany's music but I probably wouldn't know it was her unless I asked my lady who more into that type of music than I am. I know her more for her non-music antics.

The only difference I see with the 2, and I'm only using these 2 because they are being compared, is that one is white and one is black. Both have made hits and both have been in the media for negative reasons.

Are your parents more likely to know who Spears is, or Kanye West?

The answer is obvious.

I think that would have a lot to do with race, imo

I know 40 years from now I'll still be listening to Nas and OutKast.

This. I think they will be remembered.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

There's a book out about this called The Long Tail. In it Chris Anderson describes how the internet has moved us away from the hits and stars model of the past into a series of individual and personalised niches.

Back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and most of the 90s everyone would go into work in the morning and they would have all watched the same TV shows the night before, all read the same newspapers that morning and all listened to the same music on the radio on the way to work. Now there are so many different entertainment avenues to choose from that it's rare to have a wide overlap between people.

Pitty, maybe you missed this post.

It's very easy for people to avoid shit that they dont like these days. It's very, very hard to truly breakthrough on a true mainstream level as opposed to 20, 30, 40 years ago.

 

[Pitty]

Wrong. Multiple people IN THIS THREAD have admitted this.

I bet nearly everyone knows a Britney Spears song, though.

You have mentioned it multiple times, but other than that, the most underground music head I've ever seen (whom I've never seen mention listening to any Hip Hop/Rap) is the only other person in this thread who said that.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Also, Britney Spears Career: 1997-2011, Kanye West's Career: 2004-2011. Mentioning that someone who has been around twice as long is more recognizable right now is so fucking stupid. I'd be willing to bet a fair sum that Baby Boomers remember the Monkees more than Britney Spears, does that make a cheap Beatles TV ripoff have a legacy? No.

Do you even know the thread you are posting in?

Amazing.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You have mentioned it multiple times, but other than that, the most underground music head I've ever seen (whom I've never seen mention listening to any Hip Hop/Rap) is the only other person in this thread who said that.

That's the point.

If you arent a fan of the genre, you likely either dont know who he is, or wouldnt recognize one of his songs.

You wanna guess why?

He doesnt transcend his bubble. Almost nobody does these days. For reasons sprinkled all over this thread that run far deeper than "he sold a bunch of records".

Stars from 10, 20, 30 years ago were famous beyond their genre. it's harder to do that now. Kanye is actually the best example of this.

 

[Pitty]

Do you even know the thread you are posting in?

Amazing.

Analogy, learn the definition. Britney Spears is a pop-sensation, nothing more, nothing less. People don't give a shit about her anymore (actually. that's precisely why you don't hear anymore of her music ANYWHERE today). Just because they still know her (wow she only came out 10 years ago whodathunk she'd not be forgotten yet?) does not mean she will have a lasting legacy. Think of the artists you know who are remembered for their legacy, innovators and personas, the Beatles, Elvis, The Beach Boys, etc. Does Spears have a persona? Can you name anything standout about her besides her trailer trash marriage, or cooter flashing?

That's the point.

If you arent a fan of the genre, you likely either dont know who he is, or wouldnt recognize one of his songs.

You wanna guess why?

He doesn't transcend his bubble. Almost nobody does these days. For reasons sprinkled all over this thread that run far deeper than "he sold a bunch of records".

Stars from 10, 20, 30 years ago were famous beyond their genre. it's harder to do that now. Kanye is actually the best example of this.

Doesn't the fact that Kanye has multiple #1 airplay hits kind of shit on that argument? Doesn't the fact that Britney Spears always has and always will only appeal to Pop fans (she's never made any other genre of music even though you seem to be implying this) put her in a bubble?