Could LSU lose to Alabama in the National Championship and still be #1?

[Senser81]

Its actually the other way around. You keep saying that if we had a playoff, the AP poll would be irrelevant, tieing the 2 together. I say they are separate and been asking why that would be the case, and you bring CBB as an example. Then i remind you that CBB has never crowned a champion with a poll.

Of course they are tied together! But they are irrelevant to the discussion, because one doesn't determine the action of the other. The NCAA cannot make the AP NOT release a poll, and the AP cannot tell the NCAA they CAN'T have a playoff. You seem to be against the NCAA having a playoff because the AP can merely release a poll after the playoff, which in your opinion would make the playoff meaningless. I'm saying that point of view is wrong, because the only meaning the AP Poll receives is derived from the people viewing it.


Senser: If college football uses a tournament system like college basketball, then the end-of-the-year poll would be unnecessary like in college basketball.

ZB: That makes no sense, because CBB doesn't use a poll to crown their champion, whereas CFB does!

Senser: But we are talking about changing the current CFB system to be more in line with the current CBB system.

ZB: We are? I seemingly have been blathering for so long, I forgot what we were talking about in the first place. I guess you've been right all along. My bad.

Senser: No problem, friend.

ZB: Thanks.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

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[FirstTimer]

It should be treated exactly the same.

No, it shouldn't.

A situation where only two teams are hand picked to play for a game should not be treated the same as a playoff.

People want a playoff because they want more teams to get a chance at winning the championship.

:whut:

If there was a 4 team playoff, people might still want more teams...so does that mean people wouldnt care who wins a 4 team playoff??

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You've gone off the rails now Ozzy.

Earlier in this thread someone was making the exact point that the championship game should be treated like a playoff game.Many people feel this way.

I'm pretty sure that was you................................

 

[ZoneBlitz]

I'm pretty sure that was you................................

No.

Who cares if the voters think they are number 1? The BCS game is what matters the most. Being ranked number 1 just gets you into that game. The winner of the Championship match is the Champion. Period.

It's like saying that it doesn't matter that the Patriots lost in the superbowl against the Giants because they were still number 1 in voting. BFD. Superbowl is all that matters. The shit that happened prior gets you in. It's all whiped clean and gone once that whistle is blown and the opening kickoff is flying down the field.

EDIT: Just read that Saban made that same point. Good for him. Here's an alternate example: Boxing. If the Pac-man beats you 3 times along with 40 other dudes, then you come up and knock him out on your 4th try... Guess what? The belt is yours.

FT = FAIL.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

No, it shouldn't.

A situation where only two teams are hand picked to play for a game should not be treated the same as a playoff.

Championship game = winner becomes champion.

 

[Senser81]

FT = FAIL.

LOL..Villian? He's one of the worst posters on VSN. And his comments are irrelevant to the discussion. He is talking about things as they currently are, we are talking about how things would be under a playoff system.

 

[Senser81]

Championship game = winner becomes champion.

How is that a playoff tournament? I thought a tournament consisted of more than two teams.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Of course they are tied together! But they are irrelevant to the discussion, because one doesn't determine the action of the other. The NCAA cannot make the AP NOT release a poll, and the AP cannot tell the NCAA they CAN'T have a playoff. You seem to be against the NCAA having a playoff because the AP can merely release a poll after the playoff, which in your opinion would make the playoff meaningless. I'm saying that point of view is wrong, because the only meaning the AP Poll receives is derived from the people viewing it.

Im not against a playoff. Im against people who claim the current championship game shouldnt be treated like a championship game, like FirstTimer.

Im not even sure if you agree with FT. If you dont, then we have no disagreement.

 

[FirstTimer]

FT = FAIL.

Actually not.

Learn to read and understand the context of the discussion.

 

[FirstTimer]

Im not against a playoff. Im against people who claim the current championship game shouldnt be treated like a championship game, like FirstTimer.

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Completely false.

You haven't been following along.

Try again.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

How is that a playoff tournament? I thought a tournament consisted of more than two teams.

Semantics.

Should be treated the same.

The BCS picks 2 teams to play for the title.

Under a playoff, the BCS picks 4 teams to play for the title.

Under both scenarios, the winner should be champion, and the AP should be irrelevant.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Completely false.

You haven't been following along.

Try again.

A situation where only two teams are hand picked to play for a game should not be treated the same as a playoff.

FT = FAIL.

 

[FirstTimer]

FT = FAIL.

You this entire thread..Swing and a miss.

 

[FirstTimer]

FT = FAIL.

I'm convinced you have no idea what is even being said at this point.

Of course a dicated championship game winner shouldn't be treated the same as a plyoff winner. Hence, why everyone and their mother wants a playoff because they feel a playoff is a more legitimate way to determine the champion.

A playoff winner would be treated as much more legitimate than the current one game bowl winner...that's kind of the idea of everyone wanting a playoff to begin with.

If people thought of them the same and were going to treat them the same...there would be no outcry.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

I'm convinced you have no idea what is even being said at this point.

Of course a dicated championship game winner shouldn't be treated the same as a plyoff winner. Hence, why everyone and their mother wants a playoff because they feel a playoff is a more legitimate way to determine the champion.

A playoff winner would be treated as much more legitimate than the current one game bowl winner...that's kind of the idea of everyone wanting a playoff to begin with.

If people thought of them the same and were going to treat them the same...there would be no outcry.

LOL @ you acting like im the only person who thinks the championship winner should be unquestioned champion.

People want a playoff because they want more teams involved...so 4 might not be enough.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Of course a dicated championship game winner shouldn't be treated the same as a plyoff winner.

This is where you're wrong. This is the focal point of our entire disagreement.

 

[FirstTimer]

This is where you're wrong.

Actually I'm not.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL @ you acting like im the only person who thinks the championship winner should be unquestioned champion.

Yeah. You and the BCS.

Good company.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Actually I'm not.

Actually you are.

You are saying if only 2 teams are allowed to play for the title, its not legit.

But that if 4 teams are allowed to play for the title, then its completely legit.

Only 2 team difference makes you change your mind from one extreme to the other. Thats pretty stupid.

Even if we have a 4 team playoff, what if some people feel the 5th team was more deserving? Then shouldnt that make it non-legit too?

Be more consistent with your thought process.

 

[FirstTimer]

Actually you are.

You are saying if only 2 teams are allowed to play for the title, its not legit.

Wrong.

I quit reading here because I just assumed the rest of your asinine ramblings were based off this first incorrect assertion.