Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

See that I can't buy into. I think he's top 5.

I should have prefaced that with I think Peyton is top 5 all-time and was shocked that a room full of guys, like I said 15-17 of them ranging from 19 yrs up to 60 yrs old. None of them thought he was a top 5. Kind of a shocker really.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I think he's on pace TO be the best ever. But obviously isn't there yet. I think once it's all done, once he's added 5-6 more years he'll be there.

I'll co-sign this.

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah, I think that's safe to say. I still think he'll add another bowl and if he retired today, he's probably 2 or 3... in my mind.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Yeah, I think that's safe to say. I still think he'll add another bowl and if he retired today, he's probably 2 or 3... in my mind.

Now this I can see happening.

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah, I have no problem giving it to Montana right now, but I'm laughing at people that are putting Brady over him, Unitas, etc. and saying he bumped himself out of the top 5. That's just dumb.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Yeah, I have no problem giving it to Montana right now, but I'm laughing at people that are putting Brady over him, Unitas, etc. and saying he bumped himself out of the top 5. That's just dumb.

I made the mistake of turning on ESPN today, and the first thing I heard was how Peyton Manning hurt his legacy with the interception last night. ESPN, the same network that kisses Brett Favres ass, and mentions his name as being the greatest of all-time.. Because we all know, that motherfucker never makes mistakes.

Peyton Manning > ESPN.

It's far too soon to be talking about Manning's legacy one way or the other, the guy still has some great football left, and like you said, I'm almost certain he's going to add another ring to that... and, of course, more postseason victories.

 

[FedEx227]

Just don't watch ESPN's football coverage. I'm convinced it's dumbing down football fans.

 

[Archer]

Just don't watch ESPN's football coverage. I'm convinced it's dumbing down football fans.

They all do it

NFLN isin't quite as bad but they still have Deion Sanders hanging around which always dumbs things down

I'm not sure why the NFL attracts so many horrible TV people compared to other sports

 

[FedEx227]

I was thinking that the other day too. He doesn't have to be that way, but it seems. FOX in-studio is a joke. CBS is bad. I don't get NFLN so I don't listen much and ESPN's is just brutal.

Why is that?

They pander to the lowest common denominator of football fans.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

They all do it

NFLN isin't quite as bad but they still have Deion Sanders hanging around which always dumbs things down

I'm not sure why the NFL attracts so many horrible TV people compared to other sports

Because analysts used to be players, and they were hit on the head way too many times?

 

[Archer]

Because analysts used to be players, and they were hit on the head way too many times?

Makes sense

 

[Sportsbuck]

Because analysts used to be players, and they were hit on the head way too many times?

What's John Clayton's excuse then?

 

[MrBill]

What's John Clayton's excuse then?

His ponytail is pulled too tight.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

What's John Clayton's excuse then?

His cartoonishly shaped head?

 

[adembroski]

I gotta part with you on this one, W2B... if it had been a fumble or a few dropped passes that cost that game, I could see it, but the interception coupled with the complete fail in the redzone to follow it up, I'm sorry. I wont say Manning choked by any means, they're all entitled to bad games, but Joe Montana wins that game.

Montana had already established himself by the time that team became the Juggernaut that it did. You cannot tell me the '81 'Niners were more talented than the '09 Colts. Their number 1 WR would be lucky to be a long snapper today.

 

[Fox1994]

His cartoonishly shaped head?

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...in my pants

What is his cartoonish shaped head doing in your pants?

:shifty:

Sex is bad, mmkay?

 

[FedEx227]

I gotta part with you on this one, W2B... if it had been a fumble or a few dropped passes that cost that game, I could see it, but the interception coupled with the complete fail in the redzone to follow it up, I'm sorry. I wont say Manning choked by any means, they're all entitled to bad games, but Joe Montana wins that game.

Montana had already established himself by the time that team became the Juggernaut that it did. You cannot tell me the '81 'Niners were more talented than the '09 Colts. Their number 1 WR would be lucky to be a long snapper today.

But that's assuming the league hadn't evolved at all. You can't just plop a guy from one era into another.

 

[FirstTimer]

As long as the ball is in his hands when the game is on the line and he fucks up, there's no difference. Had Manning thrown for 400 yards, 3 TD's, 0 picks and his team lost 35-34, it'd be a different story. If you are going to be the best of all-time when the game is on the line, you better pull a Joe Montana and hit your best WR in stride for the game winning TD.
Throwing an awful interception that gets read like a book isn't an option. His 28 TD/19 interceptions in the playoffs don't hold up to Montana's 45/21.

Or get lucky like Montana did once and have a Bengels player drop an easy INT to give you a second chance.

 

[ralaw]

Everyone keep talking about post season success with these QB's, but I haven't seen (may have missed it) any post about the actual records.

Player- Starts – Wins – Losses - Percent

Joe Montana – 23 – 16 - 7 .696
Tom Brady – 18 – 14 - 4 .778
Terry Bradshaw – 19 – 14 - 5 .737
John Elway – 21 – 14 – 7 .667
Brett Favre – 24 – 13 – 11 .542
Troy Aikman – 15 – 11 – 4 .733
Roger Staubach – 17 – 11 – 6 .647
Bart Starr – 10 – 9 – 1 .900
Kurt Warner – 13 – 9 – 4 .692
Donavan McNabb – 16 – 9 – 7 .563
Jim Kelly – 17 – 9 – 8 .529
Peyton Manning – 18 – 9 -9 .500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Thread title: Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

Conclusion: There are good QB's, and there are great QB's, and then you have Peyton Manning. He's one of the 10 best football players ever, appreciate the fact you get to watch him.

Nice. Strong argument.

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.