Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[JimLeavy59]

The first player on that team to lay down was Manning on the first play.
No surprise the rest of the team played like wtf am I doing here when your captain and leader folds that quickly.
You Montana argument has been covered and exposed already go back and read up.

This post gave me HIV.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Moreno was already there on that first play. Manning had no shot at it without getting hurt, and it was going to be a safety anyway. Therefore he decided to give his team a shot by staying in the whole game instead of making the Broncos rely on inexperienced Brock Osweiler. That's not laying down, that's playing smart.

Lulz.
Re watch that play. Moreno wasn't "already there" and that EASILY could have been a TD.
Most QBS and kickers go apeshit trying to knock that thing out of bounds.
Maybe I'll give you protecting his neck but lol at the rest.

 

[spursup]

Lulz.
Re watch that play. Moreno wasn't "already there" and that EASILY could have been a TD.
Most QBS and kickers go apeshit trying to knock that thing out of bounds.
Maybe I'll give you protecting his neck but lol at the rest.

Moreno reacted quicker, Manning had a second of shock saying "Why was the ball snapped!? Moreno can also run about twice as fast as Manning, so he was getting there first no matter what. For Manning to have gone after that ball would have been more boneheaded than the snap itself.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Going for it on 4th and 2 bypassing an easy FG was a very wtf moment.
Not only do you tell your Defense you don't have faith , but you forego football psychology 101 by getting those first points up on the board.

That team wanted to go home. Even in a loss you could make a statement and battle back and make a point. These guys just mailed it in.

Horribly coached game.

Like you say, you have to kick the FG and get those first points. That's an old Bill Parcells principle. The longer it takes to get those first points, the harder it becomes.

Then on the first drive of the second half, down 29-0 or whatever it was, they PUNT from the Seattle 40. What?! It's the fucking SB, you're losing by 4+ scores, and you have barely two quarters left to get it. I'm pretty sure Peyton was expecting it to be four down territory, because he audibled to a draw play if i'm not mistaken on third down & long, and his body language was not good when the punt team came on the field.

36-0, Denver scores, he goes for two. Why? Going for two does nothing for you in terms of scores needed. And had they not made it, it kills the positive vibes you just got from finally scoring.

I didn't have a major problem with the bad challenge from the timeout perspective because first half timeouts are essentially useless, but anybody in the booth could have told him it was a waste of time.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Horribly coached game.

Like you say, you have to kick the FG and get those first points. That's an old Bill Parcells principle. The longer it takes to get those first points, the harder it becomes.

Then on the first drive of the second half, down 29-0 or whatever it was, they PUNT from the Seattle 40. What?! It's the fucking SB, you're losing by 4+ scores, and you have barely two quarters left to get it. I'm pretty sure Peyton was expecting it to be four down territory, because he audibled to a draw play if i'm not mistaken on third down & long, and his body language was not good when the punt team came on the field.

36-0, Denver scores, he goes for two. Why? Going for two does nothing for you in terms of scores needed. And had they not made it, it kills the positive vibes you just got from finally scoring.

I didn't have a major problem with the bad challenge from the timeout perspective because first half timeouts are essentially useless, but anybody in the booth could have told him it was a waste of time.

Both coaches used there challenges REALLY quick IMO I just chalked it up to nerves.
The rest that's been pointed out...mind numbing...terrible decisions.

 

[ram29jackson]

I'm assuming this is a pro-Manning comment.

on the radio on the way home the sports radio station said...basically, you could switch Manning with Wilson to each others team and the same outcome happens.

 

[spursup]

I'm assuming this is a pro-Manning comment.

on the radio on the way home the sports radio station said...basically, you could switch Manning with Wilson to each others team and the same outcome happens.

I disagree with this because Manning doesn't have the ability to scramble like Wilson, and Wilson had to scramble quite a few times. The Seahawks probably still would've won the game though.

 

[bucky]

Dick Vermeil was asked on SirusXM if he thinks Manning becomes the greatest of all time if he wins his second Super Bowl:

"No. Because he already is."

When pressed about "only" winning one Super Bowl, Vermeil responded:

"All of the games count, you know."

Except he threw two interceptions and had a QB rating around 40. It's not WINS in big games, it's performance. He did not PERFORM well in the SB. All the games count, but the playoff games, and SB's count MORE than regular season. Peyton's in the discussion for GOAT. And I wouldn't call someone crazy if they believed he was GOAT. But my opinion is he's not. And it's not SB wins, it's performance in playoffs/big games. I honestly would pick Montana or Unitas. But it's just so hard comparing between era's, even with normalized stats. Normalized stats work better much better for regular season stats than they do playoffs.

I have Bart Starr rated higher than most fans because of his playoff performances. From dells posts in this thread, he also has Starr rated higher than most fans do.

 

[Slateman]

Best regular season QB maybe

 

[Aso]

8 playoff appearances where he was 1 loss and out. That is pretty remarkable. Still hard not to say he's the GOAT though.

 

[ram29jackson]

Except he threw two interceptions and had a QB rating around 40. It's not WINS in big games, it's performance. He did not PERFORM well in the SB. All the games count, but the playoff games, and SB's count MORE than regular season. Peyton's in the discussion for GOAT. And I wouldn't call someone crazy if they believed he was GOAT. But my opinion is he's not. And it's not SB wins, it's performance in playoffs/big games. I honestly would pick Montana or Unitas. But it's just so hard comparing between era's, even with normalized stats. Normalized stats work better much better for regular season stats than they do playoffs.

I have Bart Starr rated higher than most fans because of his playoff performances. From dells posts in this thread, he also has Starr rated higher than most fans do.

Manning performed quite well in the game actually, its the rest of the team that didn't.

 

[ram29jackson]

Best regular season QB maybe

no, that's Marino's category or someone below Marino because Marino was at least in a Super Bowl.

being in 3 SBs/22 post season games makes much ,much more than a great regular season QB

 

[Liquidrob]

Lol @ Peyton performing well, or average or even mediocre

He played bad, stop making excuses, you can't argue away stuff that everyone just watched

 

[ram29jackson]

Lol @ Peyton performing well, or average or even mediocre

He played bad, stop making excuses, you can't argue away stuff that everyone just watched

I'm sorry but 34/49 for 280 yards is not called bad no matter the reasons for it happening such as trying to catch up or what ever.
it means he still performed well regardless of 2 ints.

all I'm saying is he isn't not great because of a SB loss after the whole of his career.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

FYI It was polar vortex all week until Sunday where it was a spring like 50. Today there's 6 inches of snow out.
Even with mother nature lining up for victory he couldn't pull through. :-(

 

[Liquidrob]

I'm sorry but 34/49 for 280 yards is not called bad no matter the reasons for it happening such as trying to catch up or what ever.
it means he still performed well regardless of 2 ints.

all I'm saying is he isn't not great because of a SB loss after the whole of his career.

Larry already broke down the STATZ of his performance yesterday, he hasn't played well in his 3 Super Bowl appearances, even the win

That Super Bowl and playoff run he was below average, didn't he throw more picks than TDs?

 

[Slateman]

Manning performed quite well in the game actually, its the rest of the team that didn't.

wat

 

[ram29jackson]

greatest passing year by a QB ever-at an older age no less...makes it to Super Bowl...loses SB- he's been to 3 of them and won 1....on a few other forums I'm reading and here LOL you'd figure they were talking about him like he was...Jeff Komlo or something ?

 

[ram29jackson]

FYI It was polar vortex all week until Sunday where it was a spring like 50. Today there's 6 inches of snow out.
Even with mother nature lining up for victory he couldn't pull through. :-(

and people still don't believe in God..

 

[Maynard]

greatest passing year by a QB ever-at an older age no less...makes it to Super Bowl...loses SB- he's been to 3 of them and won 1....on a few other forums I'm reading and here LOL you'd figure they were talking about him like he was...Jeff Komlo or something ?

nobody is talking down about mannings greatness. he is a top 5 all time QB so its not about calling him Jeff Komlo.

its about how some people think he is the GOAT and completely disregard his failures in the big games. the biggest measure of a players greatness is how he performs in the big games. Manning does not play well in those games which is why he isnt the greatest of all time.