Everyone Getting Fired

[Sportsbuck]

Is Fickell staying at Ohio State?

I figured Akron's pecking order is

1) Tressell
2) Fickell
3) some bum

Met with Meyer this morning before Meyer signed his contract.

Since that discussion, word is that he's staying on. Bill Greene (aka The Bank) confirmed it.

No clue yet as to whether that's as AHC, DC, or LB coach. tOSU is throwing a lot of money around for assistants... Ianello got paid 300k per year at Akron, Fickell will likely get a deal somewhere between $500k and $700k here.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Met with Meyer this morning before Meyer signed his contract.

Since that discussion, word is that he's staying on. Bill Greene (aka The Bank) confirmed it.

No clue yet as to whether that's as AHC, DC, or LB coach. tOSU is throwing a lot of money around for assistants... Ianello got paid 300k per year at Akron, Fickell will likely get a deal somewhere between $500k and $700k here.

Then, for Akron, I guess it'd be Paul Winters.

 

[NAHSTE]

The Turner Gill firing is odd. He had only been there two years, and he redshirted everyone he recruited in year 1, so he had only one year with any of the players he recruited. What does Kansas expect?

They were awful this year though. Like losing games to average teams by 50 points awful. In their 11 games vs. FBS competition, they were remotely competitive in just three of them.

Here's their season:


W v. McNeese State 42-24
W v. Northern Illinois 45-42
L @ Georgia Tech 66-24
L v. Texas Tech 45-34
L @ Okla. State 70-28
L v. Oklahoma 47-17
L v Kansas State 59-21
L @ Texas 43-0
L @ Iowa State 13-10
L v Baylor 31-30
L @ Texas A&M 61-7
L v. Missouri 24-10

 

[Senser81]

They were awful this year though. Like losing games to average teams by 50 points awful. In their 11 games vs. FBS competition, they were remotely competitive in just three of them.

Here's their season:


W v. McNeese State 42-24
W v. Northern Illinois 45-42
L @ Georgia Tech 66-24
L v. Texas Tech 45-34
L @ Okla. State 70-28
L v. Oklahoma 47-17
L v Kansas State 59-21
L @ Texas 43-0
L @ Iowa State 13-10
L v Baylor 31-30
L @ Texas A&M 61-7
L v. Missouri 24-10

I'm sorry, is that different from any other year of Kansas football? I really don't know. Just seeking clarification.

 

[FirstTimer]

Two years seems like a pretty quick hook when Gil took over a shitty team to begin with.

 

[NAHSTE]

I'm sorry, is that different from any other year of Kansas football? I really don't know. Just seeking clarification.

That's a good point. Considering the guy they fired was the ONLY coach to ever have success there, it was probably a bit short sighted of KU to do so.

(So what if he was a huge prick who berated/verbally abused his players?)

 

[FirstTimer]

That's a good point. Considering the guy they fired was the ONLY coach to ever have success there, it was probably a bit short sighted of KU to do so.

(So what if he was a huge prick who berated/verbally abused his players?)

 

[godspeed]

They were awful this year though. Like losing games to average teams by 50 points awful. In their 11 games vs. FBS competition, they were remotely competitive in just three of them.

Here's their season:


W v. McNeese State 42-24
W v. Northern Illinois 45-42
L @ Georgia Tech 66-24
L v. Texas Tech 45-34
L @ Okla. State 70-28
L v. Oklahoma 47-17
L v Kansas State 59-21
L @ Texas 43-0
L @ Iowa State 13-10
L v Baylor 31-30
L @ Texas A&M 61-7
L v. Missouri 24-10

They were bad last year as well. Gill was the 5th highest paid coach in the Big 12, slightly ahead of Mike Gundy. He had 3 years left so Kansas has to buyout the 6 million dollars left on the contract since I believe it was guaranteed.

It's crazy the money just being thrown around by programs. But I guess going rate for a head coach at a major football program is 2 mill a season. Although Snyder isn't getting that quite that at K-State.

 

[NAHSTE]

It's crazy the money just being thrown around by programs. But I guess going rate for a head coach at a major football program is 2 mill a season. Although Snyder isn't getting that quite that at K-State.

Yeah it is insane. Derek Dooley has a $8 million dollar buy out. He's been paid $2.25 M per SEC win so far. Mike Sherman's buy out is around $5 M.

Saban, Miles, Stoops, etc. broke the coaching salary structure and now shitty coaches are getting paid what Saban earned as the highest paid coach in 2003.

 

[Rivers17ncsu]

I'm sorry, is that different from any other year of Kansas football? I really don't know. Just seeking clarification.

The five years before Gill Kansas was 38-23 including 3 bowl wins, one being a BCS Bowl win. One of those five years they went 6-6 but didn't go to a bowl and then the last they went 5-7. So yes Gill going 2-10 (0-9) and getting raped most games is different than some other years of Kansas football.


I'm not saying they should have fired Gill, I think all coaches should get 4-5 years usually. However Gill has only had one winning season ever in six years and the year he did his key players were players recruited by the past coach. I understand he has coached at Buffalo and Kansas which is definitely harder to win at, but is Gill maybe not as good of a HC as everyone thought he was after upsetting Ball State for the MAC Title?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Two years seems like a pretty quick hook when Gil took over a shitty team to begin with.

Kansas was in a BCS game a year prior.

Gill redshirted all of his freshman in his first year...Kansas was awful.
Gill used a lot of his RSFreshmenssss this year...Kansas was simply not competitive at all.

On one hand, I feel bad for Gill. Guy was clearly in this thing for the long haul with Kansas, but damn, they just didn't even hang with anyone under Gill, plus, that administration there is a little FUBAR post Roy Williams, so...Gill never stood a chance, especially when he basically wanted a mulligan in his first few seasons as he built his team.

If I were a MAC or Sun Belt school or low end school, I'd immediately be on the phone with Gill. Clearly not ready for the big time, but he's a guy that commits to the program he's in...he made of all places BUFFALO respectable in the MAC.

Akron, if they can't land Tressel, should avoid guys with the connection to the program like Fickell (obviously not going there now, per Sportsbuck) or Paul Winters, should go after Gill. Maybe a Tulane or UAB or Memphis should go after Gill.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Two years seems like a pretty quick hook when Gil took over a shitty team to begin with.

If I remember correctly, Gil was a pretty popular name right when he took the Kansas job. I don't understand the quick hook either- you've got to give him more time.

 

[Tailback U]

I hope the the Seahawks lose the rest of their games and Carroll gets fired and hired by UCLA.

That would be glorious.

 

[Golden Taters]

For the record......


It's WAZZU not Wazzou. Anyways...


Paul Wulff's decision is being announced tomorrow. If it was my decision I would say let him coach next year. But why?

2008: 2-11
2009: 1-11
2010: 2-10
2011: 4-8

Looking at his record it doesn't support that Wulff should stay with the program. Though, when you go beyond the record you can see this team is definitely improving.

This is PPG vs Opp PPG versus Pac-10 schools over the years.

As you can see, our offense hasn't scored this many points since about 2005, the Jerome Harrison, Alex Brink, and Brandon Gibson days. This was also done with the Cougs losing starting QB Jeff Tuel in the first game of the year, and having to play a 2nd and 3rd string QB the rest of the year.

No matter who we would have hired in 2008, Wazzu would have been garbage either way. Our 5-win team from 2007 was only competitive because of our offense. We lost to 4 Pac-10 teams by more than 25 points in Bill Doba's last year, with our wins coming from; San Diego State, Idaho, UCLA, Stanford (When they were terrible), and UW (lol).

The team was not competitive at all in 2008, we had 4 players on our roster with at least one other BCS offer. Four. We were lucky to have a 300 pound offensive lineman on the team, it was that bad. We had to switch from the 4-3 because there was no depth of defensive lineman, while shuffling through 5 different quarterbacks. Then in 2009 we led the nation in most starts lost to injury.

Take a look at the improvements made.

2008: 105th Passing, 107th Rushing, 119th Defense (Woooo not last!)
2009: 104th Passing, 118th Rushing, 118th Defense
2010: 56th Passing, 118th Rushing, 110th Defense
2011: 7th Passing, 109th Rushing, 92nd Defense

Our passing game has improved phenomenally. The rushing game is slowly making improvements, but scoring 13 rushing td's vs 5, while being the 7th best passing team in the nation is outstanding. Wazzu's defense still has ways to go, but they have improved from giving up over 43 points per game, to just over 31 in 2011.

Now, what is even more incredible is looking at the Cougars depth chart, freshmen and sophomores occupy 24 of the 44 spots on Washington State’s two-deep depth chart.

The days are long gone of losing 69-0 at home, Cougars have enough talent to win 8-10 games next season. One more year.

 

[NAHSTE]

For the record I absolutely adore how faithfully Potatoes supports Washington State.

 

[1ke]

For the record......


It's WAZZU not Wazzou. Anyways...

:crying:

Sorry Taters....

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

For the record......


It's WAZZU not Wazzou. Anyways...


Paul Wulff's decision is being announced tomorrow. If it was my decision I would say let him coach next year. But why?

2008: 2-11
2009: 1-11
2010: 2-10
2011: 4-8

Looking at his record it doesn't support that Wulff should stay with the program. Though, when you go beyond the record you can see this team is defiantly improving.

This is PPG vs Opp PPG versus Pac-10 schools over the years.

As you can see, our offense hasn't scored this many points since about 2005, the Jerome Harrison, Alex Brink, and Brandon Gibson days. This was also done with the Cougs losing starting QB Jeff Tuel in the first game of the year, and having to play a 2nd and 3rd string QB the rest of the year.

No matter who we would have hired in 2008, Wazzu would have been garbage either way. Our 5-win team from 2007 was only competitive because of our offense. We lost to 4 Pac-10 teams by more than 25 points in Bill Doba's last year, with our wins coming from; San Diego State, Idaho, UCLA, Stanford (When they were terrible), and UW (lol).

The team was not competitive at all in 2008, we had 4 players on our roster with at least one other BCS offer. Four. We were lucky to have a 300 pound offensive lineman on the team, it was that bad. We had to switch from the 4-3 because there was no depth of defensive lineman, while shuffling through 5 different quarterbacks. Then in 2009 we led the nation in most starts lost to injury.

Take a look at the improvements made.

2008: 105th Passing, 107th Rushing, 119th Defense (Woooo not last!)
2009: 104th Passing, 118th Rushing, 118th Defense
2010: 56th Passing, 118th Rushing, 110th Defense
2011: 7th Passing, 109th Rushing, 92nd Defense

Our passing game has improved phenomenally. The rushing game is slowly making improvements, but scoring 13 rushing td's vs 5, while being the 7th best passing team in the nation is outstanding. Wazzu's defense still has ways to go, but they have improved from giving up over 43 points per game, to just over 31 in 2011.

Now, what is even more incredible is looking at the Cougars depth chart, freshmen and sophomores occupy 24 of the 44 spots on Washington State’s two-deep depth chart.

The days are long gone of losing 69-0 at home, Cougars have enough talent to win 8-10 games next season. One more year.

So, do you think Wulff stays at Wazzou or not?

 

[Golden Taters]

So, do you think Wulff stays at Wazzou or not?

Honestly, I have no idea what will happen.

Our AD, Bill Moos, is the same person who turned Oregon into a contender. He is the reason Phil Knight got on board with the school. He has stated many times he wants us to break the "underdog" mentality that Wazzu has always had. Hiring a big name coach (Leach, Peterson) will certainly make a splash and show our program is done fucking around.

He still thinks highly of Wulff, though. WSU's President has been pressuring Moos on the decision. I can see either decision happening. They realize Wulff has turned this program around, or that 4 wins just isn't enough, even during a complete rebuild of a program.

 

[Golden Taters]

Sad to see Wulff go, but I understand the decision.

If Wazzu is really serious about breaking the loser mentality, then hiring Mike Leach would be huge. I would have no problems with that hire, other than questioning his ability to recruit players to Pullman, as he doesn't have any northwest ties.

 

[NAHSTE]

Sad to see Wulff go, but I understand the decision.

If Wazzu is really serious about breaking the loser mentality, then hiring Mike Leach would be huge. I would have no problems with that hire, other than questioning his ability to recruit players to Pullman, as he doesn't have any northwest ties.

I am sure that is the 100th job on Leach's wish list. Sorry, taters. I think Wazzu should have given Wulff one more shot, it's not like they have a guarantee that they'll upgrade. It will be very hard to find someone with credibility and a name who would actually want that jerb.