Falcons release Vick

[Deviant]

Who cares what he did/didn't do for the Falcons? Someone will pick him up and put him to use. If he does get on the field, whenever he hikes the ball, a dog should be able to run free from the sideline and chase his ass down just for the lulz. We'll see how quick and evasive Vick is then.

But, I could see this happening:

 

[j.hen]

But, I could see this happening:

lol

 

[DSpydr84]

Uhh what?

Never said that. And who were Cunninghams WR's when he was lighting people up in Philly in the late 80's?

Keith Jackson, Keith Byers, Fred Barnett, and a young Cris Carter...who was averaging about 700 yds a season?

Oh, so you would say a 54.9% completion percentage, 24 TDs and 16 INTs is "lighting it up" (those are Cunningham's best numbers from 1986-1990)?

And as a matter of fact, Cunningham's CAREER completion percentage is 56.6% (compared to Vick's 53.8%), his average TD's per season is 12.9 (compared to Vick's 11.8), his average INT's per season is 8.4 (compared to Vick's 8.6), and his average sacks per season is 30.3 (compared to Vick's 31.1). These two players are practically mirror images of each other in the passing game.

But yet, according to you, Cunningham was "lighting it up", but Vick "cannot throw".

Also, how is it fair to label a young Cris Carter a below average weapon for Cunningham, but say a young Roddy White and Michael Jenkins were good weapons for Vick? It is quite clear that all three of these receivers needed time in the league to develop.

 

[j.hen]

Oh, so you would say a 54.9% completion percentage, 24 TDs and 16 INTs is "lighting it up" (those are Cunningham's best numbers from 1986-1990)?

And as a matter of fact, Cunningham's CAREER completion percentage is 56.6% (compared to Vick's 53.8%), his average TD's per season is 12.9 (compared to Vick's 11.8), his average INT's per season is 8.4 (compared to Vick's 8.6), and his average sacks per season is 30.3 (compared to Vick's 31.1). These two players are practically mirror images of each other in the passing game.

But yet, according to you, Cunningham was "lighting it up", but Vick "cannot throw".

Also, how is it fair to label a young Cris Carter a below average weapon for Cunningham, but say a young Roddy White and Michael Jenkins were good weapons for Vick? It is quite clear that all three of these receivers needed time in the league to develop.

And now the level of bias is evident.

/argument

 

[FirstTimer]

Oh, so you would say a 54.9% completion percentage, 24 TDs and 16 INTs is "lighting it up"?

He threw for 3808yds and rushed for 500.

Yes. That's lighting it up.

Under what circumstance is that not?

And as a matter of fact, Cunningham's CAREER completion percentage is 56.6% (compared to Vick's 53.8%), his average TD's per season is 12.9 (compared to Vick's 11.8), his average INT's per season is 8.4 (compared to Vick's 8.6), and his average sacks per season is 30.3 (compared to Vick's 31.1). These two players are practically mirror images of each other in the passing game.

No they are not. You just listed a bunch of stats showing Cunningham being better than Vick in every catagory. Plus I don't recall Vick ever throwing for 3000+ yards once. Let alone 5 times. Or being 1st team All Pro.

LOL at "mirror images" in the passing game.

Also, how is it fair to label a young Cris Carter a below average weapon for Cunningham, but say a young Roddy White and Michael Jenkins were good weapons for Vick?

So they suddenly "developed" as soon as Vick left the team? A little convenient don't you think seeing as Jenkins was seen as a wasted pick and White was despised for dropping balls. All of a sudden Vick leaves and they have career seasons?

Hint: It's easier to develop when you have a QB who can throw.

Plus in Carters case he had personel demons to overcome so it's alittle bit of a different scenario.

 

[Senser81]

,,,knew the 3000 yds crap would come somewhere along the line.
Aaron freaking Brooks eclipsed 3000 several times.
Why? Because he's a better thrower? Hell no. Because he didn't play in an offense that, right or wrong, limited his play for better or worse. They ALLOWED him to throw. That was the LAST thing Mora/Knapp wanted. In fairness, it worked overall til they foolishly dealt their trashman Duckett for Lelie (still don't get considering they still carted out power sets after)

I don't recall Aaron Brooks winning 3 MVPs.

Cunningham has 19 300-yard games and 3 400-yard games in his career. Vick has 2 300-yard games and 0 400-yard games in his career. Cunningham threw for almost as many yards in his first postseason game (407) than Vick has thrown in all of his postseason games (609).

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL at comparing Aaron Brooks to Randall Cunningham.

It's not like Cunningham did it and was percieved as being an average QB at best like Brooks was. Cunningham did it while rushing for 500+ yards most times(942 one season), making Pro-Bowls, and later making a 1st Team All-Pro and leading teams into the playoffs.

Aaron Brooks did it while making No Pro Bowls,never breaking 500 yards rushing, not having a winning record and never making the playoffs as a 3,000 yard passer.

 

[Irish]

Running QBs will never have a place in the NFL. You have to be a passer. Vick wasnt a passer and didnt change his game. Guys like Steve McNair was a runner in college but changed his game to be successful and became a good passer. Thats Vick's downfall that he doesnt want to be a passing QB.

 

[Liquidrob]

Anyone who has 2 eyes or even 1 good eye would tell you that Cunningham was a good QB and Vick was not

 

[JTRaines92]

I am so upset but I hope he plays this year.

 

[Hasselbeck]

,,,knew the 3000 yds crap would come somewhere along the line.
Aaron freaking Brooks eclipsed 3000 several times.
Why? Because he's a better thrower? Hell no. Because he didn't play in an offense that, right or wrong, limited his play for better or worse. They ALLOWED him to throw. That was the LAST thing Mora/Knapp wanted. In fairness, it worked overall til they foolishly dealt their trashman Duckett for Lelie (still don't get considering they still carted out power sets after)

Ever think Mora/Knapp didn't want Vick to throw so much because he sucked as a QB?

 

[Juggernaut]

Vick should/will be a starter or a solid role player for a team this year

If he goes to a team i like, i'll probally get his jersey. Dude's an exciting as hell player.

 

[Point Blank]

LOL @ this thread. It looks highly familiar.. :shifty:.

Good stuff indeed.

 

[Aso]

He should sign with the Carolina Panthers.

 

[Woy]

He should sign with the Carolina Panthers.

Could eventually replace Jake Delhomme if he continues to suck and can get revenge on the Falcons twice a year. Interesting.

 

[Senser81]

Not really saying Vick compares to Cunningham, more about what's asked.
MVP usually come with the numbers, something Vick rarely had in part because of himself, in part because a lack of faith, right or wrong, from the staff that replaced the one that had utmost faith in him and his playmaking ability.

Yeah, MVP "usually come with the numbers", and Vick never had the numbers. Because he wasn't much of a passer. End of story. Stop comparing Vick to Randall Cunningham.

More to how trivial Vick not crossing 3000 is, and really overall how trivial yds racked up is overall depending on what's asked of the QB. Like the people who used to indict Brady for not crossing 4000, wasn't asked, wasn't the game his team played.

Vick being a poor passer is not 'trivial'. Even when you ignore his absurdly low yardage totals, you can see how inefficient he was. He rarely completed passes to his WRs downfield. Most of the time he was throwing to Crumpler or checking off to his RBs. Stop comparing Vick to Tom Brady.

Get Vick to launch 500 passes, you'd get 3000 yds. Probably get bunch of losses too, still get the numbers. Combine his rushing and passing, comparable to other trivial QBs in ball control O's with solid D.

Agree that you'd get a bunch of losses. If Vick launched 500 passes, he'd be getting sacked 150 times. I find it amazing that nearly every year he played Vick averaged more yards per rush than yards per pass. In his career, he averaged 7.3 yards per rush and only 6.7 yards per pass. Its truly bizarre.

Vick's downfall isn't he doesn't want to be a passer, but with his physical gifts its not instinct. He was oblivious and lacked poise in the pocket after years of rolling outside under pressure and chucking it. How he was used to taking over games. Dangerous, but not efficient. Some coaches will accept it, some rather live without it. Can see either side depending on philosophy.

The coaches who accept it are the ones who are fired in short order. Jim Mora wasn't kidding when he called Mike Vick a 'coach killer'.

 

[FirstTimer]

Get Vick to launch 500 passes, you'd get 3000 yds. Probably get bunch of losses too, still get the numbers. Combine his rushing and passing, comparable to other trivial QBs in ball control O's with solid D.

And when Cunningham was throwing for 3000+ yards and running for nearly 1,000yds he was taking teams to the playoffs and winning MVP's. When Vick ran for nearly 1,000 he was 7-9 and murdering dogs.

STFU


See below....

Ever think Mora/Knapp didn't want Vick to throw so much because he sucked as a QB?

 

[ThunderHorse]

3 days later,

Sensor and First Timer are still fighting to the death the idea that Vick was a sub-par football player.

yet they claim the "vick fanboys" who defend him have a problem.

 

[Senser81]

3 days later,

Sensor and First Timer are still fighting to the death the idea that Vick was a sub-par football player.

yet they claim the "vick fanboys" who defend him have a problem.

3 days later, userpikk still resorting to personal attacks in his defense of Mike Vick, yet he claims his label of "vick fanboy" is misrepresentative.

 

[ThunderHorse]

3 days later, userpikk still resorting to personal attacks in his defense of Mike Vick, yet he claims his label of "vick fanboy" is misrepresentative.

ha,

The Irony mixed with hypocrisy in this post is full of win.