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Feds to NCAA: Why no playoffs?

And look at what Bama did to the only other team to beat Wisconsin really don't think TCU compares to the elite of the elite teams even in off years.

Most top ranked players go to schools they think have a chance to win a BCS Championship. When the NCAA allows the Boise States of the world to compete fairly in the National Championship you will see more top ranked players committing to these so called smaller schools, and I'd venture to say there will be a naturally developed playing field over time. As is, players commit to programs like Bama because they have a tradition and/or reputation for being a top ranked highly competitive program. But what would happen if Bama got rolled up by TCU in a playoff format? TCU would become the Gonzaga of NCAA Football and they would get more talent year after year. As is the smaller programs are getting screwed over as the bigger programs have a competitive advantage being that they can offer a recruit the chance to compete for a major bowl and/or the Nat. Championship, where smaller schools can't guarantee that. The BCS is outright fraudulent.
 
Why would anybody be butt hurt about some judicial insight into college sports?

All the Fed Govt can do is screw sports up if they get involved. Keep them out of Sports. Keep the courts and Govt. out of the NFL. If the courts weren't an option, the NFLPA and NFL would still be negotiating.
 
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All the Fed Govt can do is screw sports up if they get involved. Keep them out of Sports. Keep the courts and Govt. out of the NFL. If the courts weren't an option, the NFLPA and NFL would still be negotiating.

That ranks in the top ten stupidest things I've ever heard.

You're blaming the courts for the NFL lockout? Ummm...how about the owners who purposefully designed TV deals to give them money in a lockout situation, then came to the bargaining table to ask for an extra billion dollars off the top because of increased costs, but refuse to validate that statement by opening their books?

They wouldn't be negotiating. The NFL would have locked out the players, and just waited them out if the courts weren't involved. The government is designed to ensure fairness and balance. Some don't see football as a worthy use of our time, but these are multi-billion dollar businesses...they are most certainly worthy of our time.

This is a stupid argument all around. College football's system to decide a national championship is considered broken by an overwhelming majority of people, and those of you who can't see that are quite simply mentally deficient. I love a good debate...but there is no debate here. You have no leg to stand on.
 
This is a stupid argument all around. College football's system to decide a national championship is considered broken by an overwhelming majority of people, and those of you who can't see that are quite simply mentally deficient. I love a good debate...but there is no debate here. You have no leg to stand on.

The NFL, there is a good debate and a leg to stand on. Look at the Packers profits over the past few years. Hell, just look at the difference between this past year and the year before that. If we leave things up to the players and courts, they'll turn the NFL into Major League Baseball.

It was written into the CBA that the owners were allowed to discontinue it. The NFLPA decertificated and went to the courts instead of negotiating.

Keep the Fed Govt out of sports. They have much better things to do.
 
So now lets penalize teams for playing anyone that has some talent. Boise schedules 8-10 cupcakes a year and if they run undefeated they should be able to play with 0-1 loss teams from conferences that actually play football games? Sorry but a schedule like this. If they want to play with the big boys at the end of the year they should be playing some big boys throughout the year. I get tired of every summer hearing how someone won't play Boise, usually the schedules for the elite teams are set by the time boise runs around asking. I mean its not like these teams won't go out of conference. Tennessee played Oregon, Bama played Penn State...Miami and Ohio State played. Maybe they need to leave the Wyomings, UC-Davis and Tennessee Tech's of the world off and schedule another quality opponent if they won't attempt to join a conference that has a tough schedule.



As I said above. At the end of the year if they want to play with the big boys they need to play with the big boys as much as possible. TCU made a necessary jump into a BCS conference. Boise just joined a bigger conference of crap. So really I don't anticipate hearing anything out of TCU in the way of complaining, granted they haven't been real scared playing some pretty decent out of conference competition but I don't care if Boise is the best team ever assembled, until they prove it against solid competition week in and week out, I don't want to see them in January at all.

You do realize the bigger teams have been refusing to schedule Boise for years....when teams like Va Tach/Oregon do decide to play them...Boise still wins.
 
Everyone always compares the small schools to the dick-sucking fest that the SEC has become. How about the OSU years when they were contenders to go to the NC? Michigan hasn't been Michigan in a while, Wisconsin and Iowa just upped their game recently, Penn St is the same every year, Illinois and Michigan St is always underachieving, NW, Minnesota, and Purdue are never noteworthy, Indiana just sucks. Are these conferences really a ton worse than the Big Ten was some years? I'm pretty sure the TCU, BSU, and Utah teams could have ran the table against those teams some years too. Especially when TCU just beat Wisconsin when they were running Big Ten teams off the field every week.
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i don't think that tcu is going to be very good now that dalton is gone. they should go back to being a more average team.

tcu did beat wisconsin, but it was a 1 off situation, not to mention an extremely close game. it could have gone either way, especially if the 2 pt conversion wasn't batted down
 
I have no problem with the feds butting in. To be honest, I care more about getting a football playoff than I do about half of the other shit they waste their time on.

At least you're being honest though.

Unlike other people who'll try to rationalize the government getting involved just because getting a playoff happens to be something they want. Spending money on going after the BCS is a waste, our lives won't improve if college football implements a playoff system. That money could be better used elsewhere.

If you're one of the people who's line of thinking basically amounts to: "I hate the BCS, want to see a playoff system and don't care how it has to happen, who has to do it or what angle they have to push." Then just be honest about it. Miss me with all this fake caring about an antitrust nonsense.


Everyone defending the BCS. How would you feel if the same system was brought into college basketball?

Uhh how would you feel if college basketball's system was brought into college football. What's your point?
 
Uhh how would you feel if college basketball's system was brought into college football. What's your point?

I'd love a playoff for college football.

My point is NCAA basketball would be a joke if they let a computer decide the championship teams. March Madness is arguably the biggest collegiate sporting event in the world.

To declare a champ on the basis of how a team did against 10% of the teams in contention is a joke.

Top 8 BCS teams. 1-8 format. Lowest seed must face the highest seed in every following round.
 
I'd love a playoff for college football.

My point is NCAA basketball would be a joke if they let a computer decide the championship teams. March Madness is arguably the biggest collegiate sporting event in the world.

To declare a champ on the basis of how a team did against 10% of the teams in contention is a joke.

Top 8 BCS teams. 1-8 format. Lowest seed must face the highest seed in every following round.

To be fair, I think people overstate the amount of influence computers have on the BCS. It's 1/3 computer polls, 2/3 human. Even without computers a team like Boise wouldn't have made an 8 team field and would've been sitting behind 2 different 2-loss schools. I never understood how a system where humans have the majority of the say is constantly referred to as a system where "computers decide."

The people behind the human polls never catch heat for shitting on small schools it's always some mysterious "computers." Sad thing is even if the BCS goes away these human polls will still remain and likely influence who makes a tournament.
 
I'd love a playoff for college football.

My point is NCAA basketball would be a joke if they let a computer decide the championship teams. March Madness is arguably the biggest collegiate sporting event in the world.

To declare a champ on the basis of how a team did against 10% of the teams in contention is a joke.

Top 8 BCS teams. 1-8 format. Lowest seed must face the highest seed in every following round.

The Tournament is the biggest collegiate event, and the it makes the NCAA about 90% of its money yearly!
 
i don't think that tcu is going to be very good now that dalton is gone. they should go back to being a more average team.

tcu did beat wisconsin, but it was a 1 off situation, not to mention an extremely close game. it could have gone either way, especially if the 2 pt conversion wasn't batted down

That's the thing. OSU made a name for themselves by BARELY beating the 2nd best the Big Ten had to offer too. Remember the year they beat the Canes in the NC as huge underdogs after narrowly avoiding upsets by Illinois and some other bum team. I do. Or Oregon-Cal this year? Or Auburn-Kentucky? If we're discrediting close wins, there's barely been 3 true NCs the last decade....
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The NFL, there is a good debate and a leg to stand on. Look at the Packers profits over the past few years. Hell, just look at the difference between this past year and the year before that. If we leave things up to the players and courts, they'll turn the NFL into Major League Baseball.

It was written into the CBA that the owners were allowed to discontinue it. The NFLPA decertificated and went to the courts instead of negotiating.

Keep the Fed Govt out of sports. They have much better things to do.

1. The players have stated their willingness to give the owners the extra billion dollars if they can PROVE that they need that money. The owners turned over some bullshit papers which a third-part reviewer told the players was absolutely worthless in terms of judging if the owners truly need that extra money. Bottom line, the owners are making everyone believe that they're full of shit by refusing to turn over detailed financial documents. They don't need the extra money, they just want it.

2. I'll agree that the players were receiving too much of a cut in the former CBA, which is why the owners unanimously decided to opt out. But you're statement is incorrect. The players went to the table to negotiate, the owners tossed out several unfavorable deals that the players laughed at, and then the owners locked them out. AFTER they had been locked out, the players took the next necessary step: decertifying as a union so that they could pursue individual lawsuits against the NFL. The owners made the first move, not the players. Here, read this:

This lockout is about inequitable leverage.

If there is not a football season in 2011, the owners’ costs will drastically decrease.

The owners have negotiated TV deals that guarantee them revenues even if games are not played in the 2011 season.

The guaranteed television revenues that approach $4.5 billion, coupled with the elimination of $4.4 billion in player salaries and benefits during a lockout, could make a 2011 season without games profitable for the owners.

They are willing to sacrifice the sport of football in this country in order to have less cost, less work, and more revenue for themselves.

This lockout is about owners wanting more from players without justified reasons or restitution.

The owners have not been willing to give proof that they have taken a financial loss, therefore needing more money back from players.

NFL owners are adamant in their desire to reduce the share of league revenue set aside for player salaries by roughly 18 percent ($1 billion) beginning next year.

NFL owners want to increase the amount of games, therefore increasing each player’s risk of injury, but decreasing salaries.

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We're in the middle of a cat-and-mouse game that will likely be decided on the June 3rd ruling from the appeals court. If they uphold the judge's decision that the lockout must end immediately, then the owners must resume operations. They will then go back to the bargaining table, where the players will have all of the bargaining chips in negotiating a new deal. If they reverse the judge's ruling, the owners will have all of the bargaining chips in negotiating a new deal, and will simply rest on their laurels until the players cave to every single one of their demands.

3. The government in sports is a necessary evil at this point to break a stalemate, and favor one side or the other so that negotiations can be productive. Without a lockout, the owners will ease their demands and agree to a new CBA. With a lockout, the players will be forced to give in to the NFL's demands and agree to a new CBA. Stop thinking about it as a sport, because it's also a business. The governments monitors these multi-billion dollar businesses to make sure that everything is conducted fairly. Microsoft's stranglehold was lessened by the government, and every merger between two companies is scrutinized. Funny that you don't hear people saying, "Doesn't the government have better things to do than look at the AT&T and T-Mobile merger? There are bigger priorities than my ability to make a phone call." The government is here to make sure big businesses keep it real. And that includes sports...because it IS a business. In fact, it's a business before it's a sport.
 
i don't think that tcu is going to be very good now that dalton is gone. they should go back to being a more average team.

tcu did beat wisconsin, but it was a 1 off situation, not to mention an extremely close game. it could have gone either way, especially if the 2 pt conversion wasn't batted down

Good point!

Other "1 off situations":

-Boise def. Oklahoma
-Boise def. Oregon
-Boise def. Virginia Tech
-Utah wins the Fiesta Bowl
-Two years ago, Boise & TCU defeat Cartel teams in BCS games (oh, sorry, this didn't happen because they were scheduled against each other, as the Cartel convieniently ran from them as usual).

I didn't quote your other post, but the idea that its the Boise's of the world scheduling garbage is laughable. Boise will play anyone, anywhere, and has proven it. Cartel schools won't play them, and honestly, why would they? Why risk a loss to Boise, when you can feast on the local MAC or DI-AA school with little risk?

You say these teams should join Cartel conferences, as if they can just walk in the room and say "hey guys, we're Louisiana Tech, we feel like joining the SEC, stick us on the sched! Thanks!".

If the Cartel wants to block everyone else, then those 6 leagues need to break off and seperate from the others. No more preseason fattening on the MAC and the SunBelt. Play each other, and only each other. Otherwise, invite them to the party. You can't have it both ways. Those school shouldn't exist to mearly beat up on and orginize what amounts to cheap scrimmages against. When one earns it (which a school like Boise clearly has with nearly a decade of beating up on the Cartel when given a chance), they should have a fair shot at a title. Not told "well, you don't play anybody" when nobody will play them. Play them in a tournament. What are you scared of if you claim they are so bad?
 
I don't know if anyone has posted anything like this...

The article says that the BCS system actually costs the schools money, and since most of the schools involved in the BCS are public schools, that would mean ultimately it costs the taxpayers money.

so it is a government problem, thing, whatever you wanna call it
 
The BCS is a racket designed to protect the money of old white guys who run the Bowls.

People always think a playoff is just to benefit the non Cartel schools. Wrong. It would benefit teams that go undefeated in years when you have three unbeatens, or the one loss team that gets snubbed when you have one unbeaten and two one loss teams.

What the hell is so bad about seeing all of these teams play each other? What fan in their right mind would rather watch meaningless BCS games that are glorified exhibitions? Why protect bowl presidents?
 
I don't mind a very short playoff format. How many more football games are we gonna require STUDENT athletes to play? If a playoff format creates maybe one extra game a year (two playoff levels) for students then I'm for it.

JUST KEEP THE COURTS AND FED GOVT. OUT OF SPORTS.

I am surprised no on addressed this. How the fuck are the student athletes in almost every other college sport different from D1 football players? The FCS champ (E Washington) played 15 games last year on its way through the Big Sky and then the FOUR ROUND playoff system. Somehow poor little Alabama plays 13, but has no more room for even an extra week of semi finals. And if recall correctly, the NCAA added a week extra of games a couple years ago, but most teams choose to fill that with another cupcake.

Or how about the NCAA BBall Tourney? UConn played 41 game last year, and then spent most of March in places like Washington, Anaheim and Houston. Yup, they must be really worried about keeping those kids in class when they send them across the country for Thursday/Saturday games.

The BCS can't have it both ways. They already disrupt kids lives to do it, but for 99% of those kids, the only end goal is a trip to Boise to play on Blue Turf. Thrilling. Let them even it out and prove who the best on the field is
 
Calgary,

Basketball is not football. Basketball doesn't take the same toll to your body. Basketball you can play back to back games. Basketball can have a deeper tournament.

College Football, I would like a playoff, but not a NCAA Basketball playoff. If you have a 4 team playoff that's one extra game those teams have to play (minus the bowl they would have been in). If you have an 8 team playoff, that's two extra games these kids have to play. They are STUDENT athletes that already spend a lot of there time to football. I wouldn't want to go ANY deeper than 8 teams.

Like Pand, I just don't want the FED GOVT. involved in sports. For some reason, others are having a hissy that I don't want them involved.
 
Without a lockout, the owners will ease their demands and agree to a new CBA. With a lockout, the players will be forced to give in to the NFL's demands and agree to a new CBA.

I'm just gonna stop you right here. You're obviously pro player and anti owner. Just by your wording. Really? Players have NO demands? The owners will ease their demands, the players will be forced to give?

The owners are trying to get more control over the companies that they OWN. You act as if the players own the NFL teams. But this is for another thread, so you can have the last word about this. I'm done hijacking here.
 
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