Feds to NCAA: Why no playoffs?

[Berowsk]

College football needs a unique playoff set-up to introduce balance to the system. Adding every conference champ (like you would in the NFL/NBA/MLB) doesn't work, because those sports have far more balanced divisions and schedules, while the biggest problem in college football is the lack of competitive balance from one school to another. As such, the BCS rankings (or perhaps a revised system) should still be used to determine the top eight seeds, and form a playoff from them. It's all about taking the best teams in college football, and having them duke it out.

People forget that people will complain if the 8th seed is say Florida, with 2 losses, and they get in over number 9 Utah State with 1 loss. Now you're just gonna hear the same shit, but it'll be 8 spots back, instead.

 

[FirstTimer]

The only reason teams refuse to play them is they wait until the top teams have their OOC schedules set and have no room to play them. Its just complete ignorance to think that teams are afraid to play them lol.

I never said they were scared.



Show me where I said that or learn to read.

The big teams don't play Boise and TCU etc for pretty simples reasons: money, and it's a lose lose proposition for them. If they win they don't get a big bump because they were "supposed" to beat them. If they lose to them its an embrassment and and early season loss when they could have been playing FCS-West at home and not losing money.

Boise has repeatedly try to schedule top teams but have been rebuked because those teams don't want to play home-home series with Boise. They want one time games at "neutral" sites that just happen to be very close regionally to them or want one game series at their home field.

I also like how your argument has shifted now from "Boise doesn't play anyone"(Even though they beat big times schools pretty regularly when they play them...and now it's Boise doesn't try hard enough to schedule big time programs.

What hell hole site did you get spammed in from?

TGL?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

People forget that people will complain if the 8th seed is say Florida, with 2 losses, and they get in over number 9 Utah State with 1 loss. Now you're just gonna hear the same shit, but it'll be 8 spots back, instead.

Wouldn't you rather see the 8th or 9th best team get snubbed, as opposed to the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd best team?

Just like hoops, everyone cries for two days about the bubble teams, but once the games start, nobody cares anymore.

The only reason teams refuse to play them is they wait until the top teams have their OOC schedules set and have no room to play them.

This type of bullshit won't fly around these parts, guy.

Boise has a well known policy of "anyone, anywhere". But again, why should the Cartel teams play them? There is nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Now,, with a playoff format, SOS might actually mean something, so you would see teams schedule tougher games. As it stands now, the goal is to tip toe undefeated and pray for only one other unbeaten.

 

[bucky]

Now,, with a playoff format, SOS might actually mean something, so you would see teams schedule tougher games.

Curious, why would a playoff make SOS mean anything? A school would still need to get selected into the tournament, like they do now into the Champ game. Schools would still pad there schedule in order to get into the tournament. I mean, it's not like it makes sense to have a 64 or 32 team College Football playoff. I think we are talking more like a 4 team, or MAYBE an 8 team playoff.

So how do you see this making any kind of a difference to SOS? Not saying you're wrong. Just curious, and just asking.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

First off, the argument you say I shifted on is more or less the exact same argument I am making. They don't play anyone and they damn sure don't try hard enough. They wait until the big teams have their 4 OOC's schedule then go out raising hell because no big team will play them. Yet they try to keep it quiet and ignore it when they basically tell Idaho that they are too good to continue the rivalry they built with them. Basically doing what they complain that other teams do to them.

No one wants to even talk about the rules violations they have committed and imposing recruiting and practice penalties on themselves. Its all about how when they ask a team that already has a deal with other teams that they must reject it. Maybe instead of making matches with Washington and Washington state 5 years down the road they could start thinking ahead and trying to schedule USC, Texas, etc.

Also to your argument, why would a team like Alabama play them? Yes it doesn't benefit them but really? THey fucking play 8 games a year that are infinitely more difficult than any 1 game Boise plays in a year. Why schedule another tough game if Boise can run 13-0 and get a trip to January by playing glorified high school teams. They already have enough games. Maybe instead of bitching at the top teams bitch at Boise administration who jumped to MWC instead of trying to get into the Pac 12 or the Big 12 or something where they would actually see their share of tough games. Now they are basically in a slightly larger WAC after this season.

There is so much made of a couple of wins by Boise and TCU but what about when that other WAC team was lighting up the scoreboards and UGA made it look like they were an NFL team playing a middle school football team?

Its not remotely right that there is an argument that an undefeated TCU or Boise thats toughest out of conference lost to an FCS Team should play for National title over teams that can run a Big 12 South or SEC schedule with even 1 or 2 losses.

wasn't spammed in here for what its worth, even though I really don't think I owe you any explanation for myself.

So you don't think there is something inherently wrong with a system where the majority of teams have no chance to win a title before the season ever begins? You have no issue with a sport that features the only schedule where the games mean LESS the further you get into the season, finishing off with a postseason of 100% meaningless games (excluding one fucking game)?

I don't think anybody is saying an unbeaten Boise or Hawaii or TCU or whoever should automatically have a shot at a national title. What we are saying, is the 4 or 8 or 10 or whatever number of best teams should decide things in a playoff, instead of the absurd arbitrary method of choosing two teams.

All a playoff would do is increase excitement and increase the importance of a shitload more games, while giving EVERYONE a shot at winning the title. But yeah, why would we want that? Sounds shitty.

 

[FirstTimer]

First off, the argument you say I shifted on is more or less the exact same argument I am making

No it wasn't.

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They don't play anyone and they damn sure don't try hard enough

Prove that statement. Boise has been playing BCS conference school for a few seasons now and has been beating them. I know as recently as last season they were trying to set up a series with Nebraska as well. They've been in contact with SEC teams, PAC 10 teams etc. It's been pretty obvious they are willing to go play anyone anytime.

They wait until the big teams have their 4 OOC's schedule

Prove it.

Yet they try to keep it quiet and ignore it when they basically tell Idaho that they are too good to continue the rivalry they built with them

LOL at this. Boise is trying to dump Idaho so they can play more top teams, which is your biggest complaint. Boise is a top program. They need to start acting like it. Dropping Idaho, which is a meaningless and stupid rivalry, for a possible premiere game against a BCS school(which is who you want them to play more of) make sense. You can't get mad at them and demand them to play more top flight teams then get pissy about them trying to adjust their schedule so they can do so. It's talking out both sides of your mouth and blatently retarded.

USC, Texas, etc.

USC and Texas would actually have to agree to play them. It's not as if Boise can call out USC and Texas WWF style then magically have the game played. Both parties need to agree. I have no doubt Boise would love to play either of those schools. Woudl Texas and USC love to play Boise? More than likely not.

Also to your argument, why would a team like Alabama play them

Yes it doesn't benefit them

You just answered your own question.

Why schedule another tough game if Boise can run 13-0 and get a trip to January by playing glorified high school teams

This makes no sense. By this logic why would Boise State even want to schedule anyone. This isn't a point for why Alabama wouldn't play them. This is a point as to why would Boise even bother to schedule anyone tough. If Boise can roll to 13-0 and a BCS bowl against "glorified" HS teams why risk that all by scheduling OSU, Oregon, VaTech, etc etc early in the year?

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Maybe instead of bitching at the top teams bitch at Boise administration who jumped to MWC instead of trying to get into the Pac 12

Prove they didn't try. The Pac 12 would have had to issue an invite. Prove they were interested in Boise at all or Boise didn't try.

Quit making asinine assumptions. It may have worked where you have posted before but not here.

There is so much made of a couple of wins by Boise and TCU but what about when that other WAC team was lighting up the scoreboards and UGA made it look like they were an NFL team playing a middle school football team?

So now to prove their worth every small conference team must play with or beat a BCS conference team EACH team they play or the argument is bunk? Blowouts happen even among top tier teams. For Christ sakes a Stanford team that went to the Rose Bowl lost to Texas by 40+ points. Shit happens.

wasn't spammed in here for what its worth, even though I really don't think I owe you any explanation for myself.

For your own good please go back to whee you came from.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Curious, why would a playoff make SOS mean anything? A school would still need to get selected into the tournament, like they do now into the Champ game. Schools would still pad there schedule in order to get into the tournament. I mean, it's not like it makes sense to have a 64 or 32 team College Football playoff. I think we are talking more like a 4 team, or MAYBE an 8 team playoff.

So how do you see this making any kind of a difference to SOS? Not saying you're wrong. Just curious, and just asking.

SOS would matter, because you would have a bunch of one and two loss teams battling for the last few playoff spots. It would be advantageous to play tough OOC games instead of loading up on cupcakes.

With the current system, the goal is to go unbeaten. Its to your advantage to play weak OOC games. SOS means absoluely nothing. Is just a excuse they use to keep out non Cartel teams. Go unbeaten, and you will likely play for a title.

 

[bucky]

SOS would matter, because you would have a bunch of one and two loss teams battling for the last few playoff spots. It would be advantageous to play tough OOC games instead of loading up on cupcakes.

With the current system, the goal is to go unbeaten. Its to your advantage to play weak OOC games. SOS means absoluely nothing. Is just a excuse they use to keep out non Cartel teams. Go unbeaten, and you will likely play for a title.

They go with a 4 team playoff, and you really think the 3&4 teams are gonna schedule tougher teams that they could lose to instead of cupcakes they know they can beat? I guess I'm just not as confident as you that they would. But I don't follow college football much outside of Wisco and the Big 10. I don't follow it nearly like you guys.

To me a 4 team playoff is twice as good as the current two team playoff, but not sure small schools would really get a much better chance to make it into the top 4. I would maybe go as high as an 8 team playoff. Maybe you can get some smaller teams in the top 8.

I just don't want the Feds involved.

 

[PP]

you should really lighten up. I am free to have my own opinion and free to think you are a dumbass as much as I want and do so while being here. If you can't handle differing opinions hold the power button in until your computer shuts off and never touch it again. Life happens and people have differing opinions. I'm well aware that other teams would have to agree to play people or that a conference would have to extend an invite so lets try to stop talking down to people like you are some e-badass.

Fact is Boise doesn't play a tough schedule and until they start playing 4-5 quality teams per Year I don't care if they go 100-0 the next 8 years or whatever I don't want to see them play a bowl game in january.

Jail imo. Enjoy your stay.

 

[FirstTimer]

If you can't handle differing opinions hold the power button in until your computer shuts off and never touch it again.

I'll just ask Atlas to go back to the old database so your posts get lost.

. I'm well aware that other teams would have to agree to play people or that a conference would have to extend an invite .

I really don't think you do.

Fact is Boise doesn't play a tough schedule and until they start playing 4-5 quality teams per Year I don't care if they go 100-0 the next 8 years or whatever I don't want to see them play a bowl game in january.

LOl at this coming from ther person who got mad at Boise for trying to drop a shitty team from their schedule so they could add a quality opponnent.

I love how when asked for any sort of proof of your accusations you just revert to the "Boise doesn't play anyone" routine.

Prove what you are trying to say or fuck off.

 

[killgod]

Step One on how to grow VSN beyond 250 members: Reject and berate anyone who isn't part of that 250.

:yeah:

 

[FirstTimer]

Jail imo. Enjoy your stay.

I didn't know we could jail people for being idiots.

 

[FirstTimer]

Step One on how to grow VSN beyond 250 members: Reject and berate anyone who isn't part of that 250.

:yeah:

Fuck trying to grow VSD if it means it's growing with clowns like this.

:box:

 

[killgod]

Fuck trying to grow VSD if it means it's gorwing with clowns like this.

:box:

Hey man I don't care, I'm not dumb enough to put my actual money into this. That's their problem, I'm just here for my own entertainment.

(^^^)

 

[bucky]

Step One on how to grow VSN beyond 250 members: Reject and berate anyone who isn't part of that 250.

:yeah:

No different than when anyone else was administrating or modding VSN.

You trolling here or srs?

 

[killgod]

No different than when anyone else was administrating or modding VSN.

You trolling here or srs?

What's the point in putting in a front page, coming up with ideas to attract new members, blah blah blah blah.......

We could have been just fine prior to all the recent changes, the core people clearly didn't care.


But enough off topic, carry on with your corrupt football policy debate.

 

[bucky]

What's the point in putting in a front page, coming up with ideas to attract new members, blah blah blah blah.......
We could have been just fine prior to all the recent changes, the core people clearly didn't care.

I like that they are trying, but I'm not part of the core, so I guess me liking it doesn't matter.

But enough off topic, carry on with your corrupt football policy debate.

/end derailing

 

[Sharkweather]

Didn't want to be the one to bring up the 2008 Sugar bowl, so thanks Amarant.

Also, can't wait for the chick fil a kickoff game this year,

 

[FirstTimer]

So I'm a clown because I refuse to bow down and suck your dick on this subject? .

No.

You're a clown because your argument: either makes no sense, is based on unproven assumptions, or lack basic logic.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Fact is Boise doesn't play a tough schedule and until they start playing 4-5 quality teams per Year I don't care if they go 100-0 the next 8 years or whatever I don't want to see them play a bowl game in january.

I don't want to see them play a bowl game in January, either.

I want to see them play in PLAYOFF games in January, provided they are among the top 4 or 6 or 8 teams.

Bowl games are antiquated nonsense that outlived their usefullness two decades ago. Time to crown a real champion like every other sport in the world.

Sidenot-the Ncaa does not recognize a Div.1 football champion. Again, fine system we have here. Anyone who isn't a bowl chairman who supports this shit is lost.