Hall of Fame Probablility

[CB4]

What about McDyess didn't he have a couple good 20/10 years.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Everyone griping about D-Wade not being on here have missed one very simple piece of the formula - it only counts players who have played at least 400 games. Wade is still a bit shy. Rest assured, when he crosses that mark he'll be pretty high up on the list.

And Stackhouse never won a scoring title.

Not quite, but he was damn close. Stack was a machine that year.

 

[A Tasty Burgerr]

Thanks for pointing that out dell, I didn't think about Wade having less than 400 games.

Gordon hasn't even been an all star

 

[stevsta]

gilbert arenas for the HoF.

yet you trade him from your franchise lol

 

[Umfer]

I think Marbury is way to high on that list lol Scrub

 

[Esjay]

Because VC's career is shitting on Grant Hill's. Grant doesn't/never scored like VC did, he's not a better shooter that VC, he's not a better defender, and in their primes, VC was far more electrifying.

Also, Grant Hill still can't do 20/5/5 like VC still can. People keep saying VC has fallen, yet his numbers really say otherwise. Carter's value is much higher than Grant Hill's. VC > Grant Hill makes perfect sense.

The only reason VC's career is 'shitting' on Grant Hills is because of Hills injuries. In his Detroit days Grant Hill was twice the player VC has ever been.

Who cares if Carter was more electrifying? He's also soft and Hill was a better defender before he got hurt.

Hill > Carter.

 

[dell71]

I think Marbury is way to high on that list lol Scrub

It's a statistical formula & statistically Starbury's had a good career. He's averaged over 20ppg & 8 apg 7 times each, made the All-Rookie Team (1st team), a couple All-NBA teams (3rd team, twice) & a couple of All Star Games. He's also 20th all time in total assists and 15th in assists per game. So stat-wise, he's probably in the right spot.

 

[FirstTimer]

Mutombo IMO should be in the HOF no doubt.
-4 time defensive NBA player of the year.
-Lead the NBA in RPG twice and in total rebounds 4 times.
-Lead the league in blocks per game 3 times and 5 times in total blocks.
-8 time All Star

People also forget that he was a pretty good offensive player. Until he went to NJ in teh tail end of his career he was easily over 10ppg.

I don't see how he doesn't get in in all honesty.

Kidd IMO is a 100% lock. Should be easily above Nash in that regard.

Penny no.

 

[dell71]

Mutombo IMO should be in the HOF no doubt.
-4 time defensive NBA player of the year.
-Lead the NBA in RPG twice and in total rebounds 4 times.
-Lead the league in blocks per game 3 times and 5 times in total blocks.
-8 time All Star

People also forget that he was a pretty good offensive player. Until he went to NJ in teh tail end of his career he was easily over 10ppg.

I don't see how he doesn't get in in all honesty.

Kidd IMO is a 100% lock. Should be easily above Nash in that regard.

Penny no.

I wouldn't say no doubt on the HOF but I agree he deserves serious consideration.

Again, with this being a statistically based formula I can see how Nash has a slightly higher probability. It's simple he won 2 MVPs. That said, I do believe Kidd is better and I think both guys are locks.

 

[FirstTimer]

I wouldn't say no doubt on the HOF but I agree he deserves serious consideration.

Again, with this being a statistically based formula I can see how Nash has a slightly higher probability. It's simple he won 2 MVPs. That said, I do believe Kidd is better and I think both guys are locks.

Carrying two marginal teams to the NBA Finals>Nash's two MVP's IMO

As for Mutombo what kind of argument is there for him not getting in? Lack of offensive production?

 

[dell71]

Carrying two marginal teams to the NBA Finals>Nash's two MVP's IMO

Like I said, I agree (see my greatest point guards list for further proof of that fact). But 2 MVPs is more easily quantifiable helping to give Nash the higher score.

As for Mutombo what kind of argument is there for him not getting in? Lack of offensive production?

For me, the biggest reason is that in a very long career, it was a very short window where he was considered among the best centers in the league. He also hasn't won a championship. And yes, he didn't score nearly enough. The same reason Rodman still isn't in (well, one of the reasons for Rodman) and Ben Wallace may not get in, either. At least they've both won titles. If you're not going to score points then you've either got to have some championship rings on your fingers or some mind blowing stats in the other areas. Like I said though, I can go either way on this one.

 

[FirstTimer]

Like I said, I agree (see my greatest point guards list for further proof of that fact). But 2 MVPs is more easily quantifiable helping to give Nash the higher score.

Got ya.

Nice lists as always BTW. Too bad all your other ones were lost in the MM SoapBox purge

For me, the biggest reason is that in a very long career, it was a very short window where he was considered among the best centers in the league. He also hasn't won a championship. And yes, he didn't score nearly enough. The same reason Rodman still isn't in (well, one of the reasons for Rodman) and Ben Wallace may not get in, either. At least they've both won titles. If you're not going to score points then you've either got to have some championship rings on your fingers or some mind blowing stats in the other areas. Like I said though, I can go either way on this one.

I can see that point, especially when it comes to best all around centers but what helps him IMO is his longevity as a great defensive center. He was a defensive prescence even late in his career after his scoring dipped. Mutombo was just never a great offensive player. To hold him up to that standard IMO is a bit unfair but what may keep him off the first ballot is he might be compared to "The Dream" a lot who was another great defender but put up far better offensive numbers. That could hurt Mutombo a lot but in all honest in my mind he is a doubt HOF'er at some point.

Rodman IMO should be in the HOF and Wallace I don't think should. Rodman had a long period of time where he was a premier rebounder/defender. Stunning and impressive especially in an era of guys like Mutombo, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Olajuwon, etc. even for all his personality issues it's impossible to ignore what he did on the court and the era in which he did it.

Ben Wallace to me was a flash in the pan and once he left Detroit he was at best an average defender and always looked overmatched with the Bulls. Honeslty Ben Wallace IMO is overrated. I have a feeling much of his success in Detroit was based on the fact that he was on a great defending team, not that he himself was that great of a defender. He was very good but in all honesty not as good as perceived.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Nash and Kidd should be ahead of Dirk.

Never really thought of Vinsanity as a Hall of Fame level player, but I guess his case is interesting.

Agree with Yao being low...big men need to win championships...without one, you aren't anybody important.

Shocked to see Deek so low on the list. Thought longevity + high end defensive prowess gets him in...maybe not, it seems.

 

[dell71]

Got ya.

Nice lists as always BTW. Too bad all your other ones were lost in the MM SoapBox purge

I actually have them saved elsewhere. From time to time, I'll retrieve some & throw them up here (in between new lists, of course).

 

[JrRawlins]

Kidd and Nash are locks for the HOF.....